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    Hi Everyone,

    I am new to the DOGFORUM but am happy to have signed up it is very useful

    Anyway, i have a 5 month old Lab - her name is pepper. She is such a naughty but beautiful girl. i know puppies need lots of training etc. and of course puppies are going to be craaaaazy but I need some tips on a few different things she does.

    BITING:
    She loves to bite, if you pat her and she is in a playful mood which is most of the time she lieks to play by biting your hands, or even sometimes your feet, and now she is getting older and getting big chompers it hurts alot more than when she was a baby. the only advice i have been given is to be consistant and giving her a toy whenever she goes to bite and i have done this for the last 5 months but she still prefers fingers!

    BARKING:
    If pepper isn't recieving attention or doesn't have her way e.g. not picking her up or putting her on the lounge she will bark at you constantly in a very high pitch LOUD bark.

    SOOKINESS:
    I think i may of spoil her too much but she is very very very sooky, she has to be with you 24/7 or she cries and sooks, I love being with her all the time and spending as much time as i possibly can with her but sometimes i have to go to work or do things. She is slowly becoming and outside dog (as we have a large yard we didnt want to put her out there straight away). we also have a 9year old lab who she absolutley adores.

    PLAYING WITH THE CAR:
    Pepper likes to play with our cat and the cat also likes to play with Pepper however after a few seconds Pepper gets way to rough and drags the cat by the neck with her teeth!

    We have used a few methods to avoid hitting the dog (which i refuse to do) but every method we have tried she thinks is fun and games, and it doesn't bother her whatsoever.

    these are the few problems that i can think of at the moment, i am sure there will be plenty more that pop up but for the moment if anyone could please give me some advice on any of these issues it would be greatly appreciated

    Thanks Guys

  • #2
    Originally posted by peppersmummy View Post
    Hi Everyone,

    I am new to the DOGFORUM but am happy to have signed up it is very useful

    Anyway, i have a 5 month old Lab - her name is pepper. She is such a naughty but beautiful girl. i know puppies need lots of training etc. and of course puppies are going to be craaaaazy but I need some tips on a few different things she does.

    BITING:
    She loves to bite, if you pat her and she is in a playful mood which is most of the time she lieks to play by biting your hands, or even sometimes your feet, and now she is getting older and getting big chompers it hurts alot more than when she was a baby. the only advice i have been given is to be consistant and giving her a toy whenever she goes to bite and i have done this for the last 5 months but she still prefers fingers!

    BARKING:
    If pepper isn't recieving attention or doesn't have her way e.g. not picking her up or putting her on the lounge she will bark at you constantly in a very high pitch LOUD bark.

    SOOKINESS:
    I think i may of spoil her too much but she is very very very sooky, she has to be with you 24/7 or she cries and sooks, I love being with her all the time and spending as much time as i possibly can with her but sometimes i have to go to work or do things. She is slowly becoming and outside dog (as we have a large yard we didnt want to put her out there straight away). we also have a 9year old lab who she absolutley adores.

    PLAYING WITH THE CAR:
    Pepper likes to play with our cat and the cat also likes to play with Pepper however after a few seconds Pepper gets way to rough and drags the cat by the neck with her teeth!

    We have used a few methods to avoid hitting the dog (which i refuse to do) but every method we have tried she thinks is fun and games, and it doesn't bother her whatsoever.

    these are the few problems that i can think of at the moment, i am sure there will be plenty more that pop up but for the moment if anyone could please give me some advice on any of these issues it would be greatly appreciated

    Thanks Guys
    Hi, it is lovely to have a puppy isn't it. I have an 11 month old creatively intelligent border collie girl.
    I have to be honest, I wouldn't enjoy visiting you. I dislike being jumped on by dogs without my permission and being chewed on is, well, very annoying.
    Your lovely pup can only know the limits you teach her. I have found endless excellent advice from the trainer at obedience classes I have attended for the last 7 months. You will need to write a list of what behaviours are important to you. Yours will be different to mine of course.
    My dog is allowed to jump on my bed when invited , but no other time. She sits and waits for me to go through the door ( got tired of being yanked out tripping along the way) She sits and shakes a paw before I throw her ball. None of these may be important to you but it sounds like you are getting a teensy bit worried by some of the behaviour.
    Hitting your dog is not an option and it is great you realise that. Being a labrador she is probably food motivated. There is a great deal of advice here, I suggest you work on one behaviour at a time. I would start with biting, she is way to old for that now. In the litter the other puppies shriek loudly when hurt by a sibling and that way they learn not to bite. This worked for us, when Maggie went to chew we lowered our voices and growled a short disapproving noise. We also at the same time taught her to greet people by sitting down not jumping up. They do need to know what it is they are meant to be doing. Anyway there are far more expert people here than me, I just thought I would respond as this is very recent for me.
    At one point I posed a question about her behaviour and was bluntly told my puppy was rude and needed to learn some manners, they were right. Lots of luck, there is loads of information and support on this forum.

    By the way we love photos, what does she look like?
    Last edited by farrview; 23-01-2013, 01:37 PM.

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    • #3
      Hi and welcome!

      It sounds to me like your pup has learnt to try get your attention any way she can and that it doesn't matter at all whether it is negative or positive attention. Also, I had to learn the hard way with my dog that sometimes yelling, trying to grab her collar and similar is encouragement to them. They think you're joining in with their game and spurring them on!

      With the biting and also with the barking for attention, I would either respond by walking out of the room immediately until she calms down or put her in time-out (eg. the laundry) for 30-60 seconds. The first option is probably the best one, but I did use the laundry method when my dog was rude to visitors and that worked too.

      Key is to let your actions do all the talking. You don't need to say anything. Just get up without looking at her and walk away so she gets the message that that kind of behaviour doesn't get her any attention and immediately stops all the fun. It is also very important to praise her then when she is calm and shows self-control. You could add a yelp before you walk away to mark the exact moment when she got too rough.

      With leaving her outside, best to train this gradually. You can even start by simply opening the backdoor and closing it again without putting her out. Then put her out for a few seconds, then a few minutes etc. Of course, never let her in when she is whining. You can also train with you going out the front door.

      And with the cat, maybe you could put her lead on inside and let her drag it behind her. Then if she gets too rough, calmly grab the end of the lead and pull her away. Again, no need to say anything, the message is "rough play results in no play at all".

      I think if you start implementing simple strategies like that and in general pay more attention to when you give her attention - so really only when she is calm and well behaved - you'll be fine.

      If you like reading, I can highly recommend "Chill Out Fido!". It has some fantastic training exercises to get overexcitable dogs to choose to relax. They do use clicker training with treats, but that would work exceptionally well with most labs because they tend to be so food motivated. I can highly recommend clicker training for training most things.

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      • #4
        peppy and beau.jpg

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        • #5
          She's beautiful
          She's just a typical puppy! all puppies did this at some point!
          As the others said, the best way to stop the barking and biting is to stop ALL fun as soon as she starts to bark or bite.
          When my dog, Koda, was a pup, if he jumped or tried to bite me. I instantly got up and turned my back, i gave him no eye contact, i didnt say anything... i basically made it look like i didnt know he was even there. If he continued to be naughty i would actually go inside, leaving him by himself. But as soon as he calmed down and started to act nicely, i went out and gave him LOTS of praise.
          It can be tedious if the pup takes a while to learn it... but its definately worth the effort

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          • #6
            Hi 'peppersmummy' and to you and your pup to the forum.

            There are heaps of good threads on this forum, so have a good look around. Some of my favourites:

            Heaps of really useful information here – so please have a really good look around this site:
            Dog Star Daily

            This one below is from this forum and looks at what a pup goes through at different ages. Definitely don’t look at it to excuse bad behaviour – but to understand what your pup is going through at her different ages..
            http://www.dogforum.com.au/puppy-dis...-calendar.html

            This next one – is a really good read and will cover all the areas you need to look at for training your pup.
            TOT – Triangle of Temptation
            NILIF – Nothing in Life is Free
            Behavioural Interrupter
            Dog Behaviour Articles | Steve Courtney Dog Training

            Kikopup - makes things look so easy – so have a good look around her website.
            kikopup - YouTube

            This next one is also excellent:
            Patricia McConnell : Leslie McDevitt: Control Unleashed�: Home Page and Patricia McConnell PH.D. | McConnell Publishing Inc.

            So there you are - plenty of places to find really good information regarding training your pup !

            Have you started taking the pup to dog training classes ? I would suggest that classes would be good for both of you.

            As others have said - your pup is young - 5 months old - but as you are seeing - things that were cute when she was younger are no longer so as she is getting older and heavier !

            Good Luck !

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            • #7
              Hi peppersmummy and welcome to the forum
              There isn't anything I can add to the previous posters. Lot's of great info there.
              The first year is the most challenging, but over all too quickly! Read everything you can, and don't be afraid of 'tough love' when training Pepper. It will be worth it in the long run.

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              • #8
                hey peppersmummy!
                welcome to the forum.. im so happy to have another lab owner on board..lab puppies can be very challenging and get very attached. This has been a problem for me when training my seccond pup. the biting hands thing and my pup licks u when u pat her (very annoying) to solve it id just stop patting her when she did it and said "no biting" in a firm voice..then after a few secconds continue patting if she doesnt lick or bite..say "good girl" they are soo smart she will learn soon enough.
                the barking thing is just her saying "hey let me in!" my oldest does this sometimes coz she's spolit and thinks its her right to b inside lol..i over come this by ignoring her simply say "no" and walk away out of sight..worked for me

                hang in there
                lol labs are sooo naughty as pups but they are so worth it...theyre the best and they give back what you put into them
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                • #9
                  Thank you so much everyone! The advice you have provided me with is great! It's nice to know there are people in the same boat.

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                  • #10
                    Research, research, research....The internet is an endless sea of knowledge, and this forum is where it all culminates! You will get there. Just keep reading up and your lightbulb moment will come.

                    My puppy is much younger than yours (3 months) and has already stopped the above behaviours; biting especially is something I refuse to tolerate. I'm not bragging at all because I still have a lot of work to do with her, but what I have achieved took lots of effort, consistency and patience. Puppies need to know their boundaries and structure just as much as human babies do. They need boundaries to make sense of the world we're asking them to live in. Your baby won't hate you for using a stern voice...quite the opposite as you'll find her snuggling up next to you the next minute.

                    Be strong, you can do it!
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                    • #11
                      If you have a dog club close by check out and see if they run obedience classes. They are usually inexpensive and a good way to both socialise your dog in controlled company and learn some obedience training and they are usually fun too. Labs are lovely intelligent dogs. We had quite a few naughty lab pups come through the obedience classes our dog club ran and it was amazing the difference it made.

                      I dont tolerate biting, as I have had a couple of mouthy cattle dogs. With one I taught her she could be mouthy if I had a pair of thick gloves on but no way on human flesh. I just said ouch in a very dissaproving tone and immediately stopped all playing. My dogs soon go the idea that all fun stops immediately if they engage hard on my flesh. Deflecting them on to a tug is okay but if they dont learn that flesh is off limits they will often latch on to the hand holding the tug.

                      I found crate training puppies is a great way to give them a place where they are contained and can learn to chill out.

                      Once she starts to learn some manners and boundaries and you introduce some structured training, the barking should ease up. Engaging their brains will often tire them out. I just dont engage with my dogs if they whine and bark and they soon learn that such behaviour gets them nowhere fast. I am very quick to reward and praise good behaviour even if I havent asked for it. If they are lying quietly in their crates I tell them what good dogs they are.

                      Dogs are often good with routine, and will learn to chill when they recognise that it is not their time for walks, games, training etc.

                      Do not let her drag the cat by its neck. I would actually be pretty firm with that, voice your dissaproval when you recognise the impending signs of roughness before it starts and stop her. One of our cats was killed by one of our young dogs in that manner, and there was not a mark on her, it can happen very quickly and instantly and without it looking particularly rough and a lab is a lot stronger and heavier than a cat and a neck can dislocate easily enough.

                      It is a very dangerous activity for your cat even if the cats appears to enjoy engagement with the dog, our cat did and I am sure the dog didnt mean to kill her. They got on well together. We learnt the hard way.
                      Last edited by Kalacreek; 24-01-2013, 08:39 PM.

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                      • #12
                        biting - every time she goes to bite your hands slip your thumb under her tongue and press firmly. If she grabs your feet or clothes scruff her and hold on until she settles. Don't say a word, just grasp her firmly until she gets the hint it's not on. Give her a moment to think, offer your hand and if she only licks say 'good dog' quietly as not to raz her up.

                        barking - get a little squirt bottle and put some water and with a squeeze of lemon in there. Ignore her barking, count to 10 if she has not stopped give her a quick squirt right between the eyes. Again, don't say a word otherwise you just play to her attention grabbing.

                        As for being an outside dog, totally outside or just when you are not home? If you want a totally outside dog then leave her outside 24/7 now and ignore the ensuing screaming due to pack separation. If you want a part time outside dog then put her outside with meals, treats, toys etc and inside time is quiet time only (pats, lay on mat etc) so being outside is not a chore to the dog.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by peppersmummy View Post
                          Hi Everyone,

                          I am new to the DOGFORUM but am happy to have signed up it is very useful

                          Anyway, i have a 5 month old Lab - her name is pepper. She is such a naughty but beautiful girl. i know puppies need lots of training etc. and of course puppies are going to be craaaaazy but I need some tips on a few different things she does.

                          BITING:
                          She loves to bite, if you pat her and she is in a playful mood which is most of the time she lieks to play by biting your hands, or even sometimes your feet, and now she is getting older and getting big chompers it hurts alot more than when she was a baby. the only advice i have been given is to be consistant and giving her a toy whenever she goes to bite and i have done this for the last 5 months but she still prefers fingers!

                          BARKING:
                          If pepper isn't recieving attention or doesn't have her way e.g. not picking her up or putting her on the lounge she will bark at you constantly in a very high pitch LOUD bark.

                          SOOKINESS:
                          I think i may of spoil her too much but she is very very very sooky, she has to be with you 24/7 or she cries and sooks, I love being with her all the time and spending as much time as i possibly can with her but sometimes i have to go to work or do things. She is slowly becoming and outside dog (as we have a large yard we didnt want to put her out there straight away). we also have a 9year old lab who she absolutley adores.

                          PLAYING WITH THE CAR:
                          Pepper likes to play with our cat and the cat also likes to play with Pepper however after a few seconds Pepper gets way to rough and drags the cat by the neck with her teeth!

                          We have used a few methods to avoid hitting the dog (which i refuse to do) but every method we have tried she thinks is fun and games, and it doesn't bother her whatsoever.

                          these are the few problems that i can think of at the moment, i am sure there will be plenty more that pop up but for the moment if anyone could please give me some advice on any of these issues it would be greatly appreciated

                          Thanks Guys
                          Hi I am currently fostering a dog that is exactly how you have described. Nobody ever taught him how to be polite and respect personal space, and his owners ended up leaving him in the garden all the time because he was not enjoyable to have around. They got rid of him because they were having a baby and couldn't tolerate his jumping and use of brute strength to get his own way. He's a very gentle good natured dog, but completely antisocial and horrible to have around when we first got him. The kicker is that if they'd bothered to train him and interact with him properly in his first year of life, he would have been fine. Your 5 month old puppy will not be 5 months old forever, and you don't want to end up with the type of dog I have to fix.

                          It seems like the main thing you are doing wrong is giving her affection and positive attention for everything, instead of making her earn it with good behaviour. From this point onwards, observe your own reactions to what she's doing, and ask yourself how she will interpret it. Only give her pats and nice words when she's behaving in a way that you like. If she's being a pain in the bum, withdraw your attention, go cold, and ignore her. She will naturally start doing the things that get her positive reactions from you.

                          BITING: This is normal puppy behaviour but very antisocial for an adult dog. You need to address this ASAP, make sure when she bites you all positive attention stops. This means when you're patting or cuddling her and she bites you, say "OW" or "NO" and grab her lower jaw momentarily between your fingers like nekhbet said. If she keeps biting, turn away and give her the cold shoulder and the silent treatment for a few minutes. If you can't manage to physically restrain her without losing your cool, ignoring is a good way to teach a dog that behaviour is unwanted. It's VERY important that you stay calm and collected at all times while you interact with her. As soon as you get ruffled, she has won and she will know it.

                          BARKING: This is very spoiled behaviour and you must not give her positive attention for it. If you've been indulging her by doing what she wants when she barks, she will have learned that this is what she has to do to get her own way. Dogs learn by association, so when she performs a certain behaviour she will associate it with whatever your reaction is. She is thinking "when I bark, I get my own way".
                          On the first bark, say "QUIET" in a firm voice. If she is quiet, tell her she's a good dog. If she keeps barking, take her by the collar and put her outside or somewhere else where she will be separated from you. She will put up a fuss but eventually quiet down. When she's quiet, allow her to be close to you again and tell her she's a good dog. She will quickly associate barking with unpleasant things happening to her.

                          OUTSIDE: I never really recommend keeping a dog outside 24/7 because I believe it's not natural. Dogs aren't solitary creatures and spend all their lives with their pack. If you want a totally well-balanced dog you're going to have to allow it to be near you most of the time, whether this is outside or inside.

                          CAT: When she's rough with the cat and the cat can't handle the situation, pick the cat up and take it away from her, leaving her alone. Otherwise I'd just let the cat deal with her, if it keeps going back to play with her then it obviously associates her with friendship and fun. Unless the cat is making noises of pain and distress, don't interfere.

                          Above all, BE CONSISTENT!!! It's no good reacting one way sometimes, and another way other times. Decide how you're going to tackle her issues and then do the same thing from then on. That will help her learn quickly because she will know there is only one outcome from annoying you.


                          TL;DR: Watch your own behaviour, always stay calm, and only give the dog positive attention when she's being good.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mosh View Post
                            CAT: When she's rough with the cat and the cat can't handle the situation, pick the cat up and take it away from her, leaving her alone. Otherwise I'd just let the cat deal with her, if it keeps going back to play with her then it obviously associates her with friendship and fun. Unless the cat is making noises of pain and distress, don't interfere.

                            .
                            This is the only part of your post I disagree with. We thought that way and ended up with a dead cat. Sometimes cats dont deal effectively with it. Ours was such a good natured cat and allowed herself to be pulled around and ended up having her neck broken when the dog was pulling her by the neck, exactly the same way that this lab is doing. She never made a sound of pain or distress.

                            A heavy dog can snap a cats neck easily and quickly without meaning to, one quick shake. Some cats deal with dogs very effectively, but not all. If this cat is allowing itself to be dragged by the neck I would take definitive action and not allow the puppy to do this.
                            Last edited by Kalacreek; 26-01-2013, 04:28 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Kalacreek View Post
                              This is the only part of your post I disagree with. We thought that way and ended up with a dead cat. Sometimes cats dont deal effectively with it. Ours was such a good natured cat and allowed herself to be pulled around and ended up having her neck broken when the dog was pulling her by the neck, exactly the same way that this lab is doing. She never made a sound of pain or distress.

                              A heavy dog can snap a cats neck easily and quickly without meaning to, one quick shake. Some cats deal with dogs very effectively, but not all. If this cat is allowing itself to be dragged by the neck I would take definitive action and not allow the puppy to do this.
                              I don't know much about cats and I assumed that they would voice their disapproval the same way a dog would. I'm sorry your cat died, that sounds awful.

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