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    Hello, I'm having a meltdown and would love some advice on what I should do. I have a 6 yr old male, neutered malamute. He was brought up with another female malamute who passed away 2 years ago. They had a couple of tiffs in their time (over bones and food) but no injuries, just noise. He is a very healthy, playful and energetic boy.

    I have now introducted a female, malamute pup. I got her at 8 weeks (she's now 16 weeks) and she is a very happy, sweet little thing.

    My boy has had a go at her 2 times in the time we've had her (3 weeks apart) both times breaking the skin (puncture wounds). No vet treatment was required. (A vet did examine both times and just flushed the wounds).

    Both times there was very little obvious warning that I could see. He was lying down and there were toys around, she walked near and he just pounces on her. Resource guarding? She screams and he doesn't stop until we pull him off. I have taken all the toys away now but I'm just not sure what to do. He plays so gently with her the rest of the time and seems happy and relaxed. He was taking his toys up to her to tug on and when rough playing, if she squealed he would immediately stop.

    After both times I separated him and when I reintroduced 10 Min later they were both calm and happy. She doesn't seem stressed around him. She's never jumped on him and is generally pretty well behaved for a pup.

    This is my 4th dog and I've never had one bite a puppy before, or even show any signs of aggression other than loud, verbal tiffs. He is such a lovely boy in every other way and I hate how I feel about him after he bites her. I'm worried this will get worse as she gets bigger and I'm so attached to her already. Is there any good dog behaviourists anybody could recommend in Melbourne? Or any advice? Thank you

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    Hi,

    sorry to hear about the problems you're facing.

    The below thread may be of some help. My Truffle is very reactive around other dogs but the more I reward calm behaviour throughout the day and during a walk the less reactive she is.

    http://www.dogforum.com.au/showthread.php?t=14161

    The fight Truffle got into in the beginning sounds similar to yours.

    Pete

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    • #3
      I am very sorry to read your unhappy post and understand what you are going through.

      Sometimes when we micro-manage our pups too much - we stop them from being dogs and they lose their voice. Growls are warnings – if we stop pups from growling – then the next step - next time is to bite without doing a warning growl.

      I have allowed my pup Riley from day 1 to discipline ‘Jaws’ when she arrived as an 8 week old pup ! I did always supervise – but I found I was always a ‘third wheel’.

      She has had her ears pinned to the ground quite a few times – but all he has done is growl. There has been no blood or injuries. I am sure it would have been a very different story if I had corrected him each time he growled at her.

      If my pups growl at me – I don’t discipline – I try and work out why it happened.

      The 2 ladies I really like down your way to help you are:

      Julie from - http://inlinek9.webs.com/

      Judi from - http://www.prok9.com.au/

      Good Luck !

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      • #4
        Thank you for your replies and links. I really appreciate it.


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        • #5
          Malamutes are known for dog aggression, even predatory behaviour towards smaller dogs. It is very rare that dogs of the same sex (e.g. 2 males or 2 females) can live together without any trouble. And it is typical for the breed that they give not much warning (they take no prisoners). In your case having a de-sexed male and young female (equals again some kind of a pair of 'similar' sex), plus the difference in size can be problematic. This kind of dogs needs to be worked out on a daily basis, otherwise their boredom will likely turn into aggression.
          Of course, there will be bloodlines which are not so extreme, but it always needs to be considered where they come from and what was the purpose of this breed. They have been bred for the harshest outdoor and survival conditions.
          Your best chance - IMO - is to increase the daily workout for both dogs, but especially for the older one till exhaustion (they are bred for this). If you don't have the time to do so, there will be further accidents if they are not separated.


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          • #6
            Originally posted by outlaw View Post
            Malamutes are known for dog aggression, even predatory behaviour towards smaller dogs. It is very rare that dogs of the same sex (e.g. 2 males or 2 females) can live together without any trouble. And it is typical for the breed that they give not much warning (they take no prisoners). In your case having a de-sexed male and young female (equals again some kind of a pair of 'similar' sex), plus the difference in size can be problematic. This kind of dogs needs to be worked out on a daily basis, otherwise their boredom will likely turn into aggression.
            Of course, there will be bloodlines which are not so extreme, but it always needs to be considered where they come from and what was the purpose of this breed. They have been bred for the harshest outdoor and survival conditions.
            Your best chance - IMO - is to increase the daily workout for both dogs, but especially for the older one till exhaustion (they are bred for this). If you don't have the time to do so, there will be further accidents if they are not separated.


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            Hello, thought I would give an update 1 year on. All is amazing!! I ended up getting one of the recommended trainers out to assess my big boy after my post (thank you). Nothing abnormal was really noted but we did some intense obedience work with him which has continued through till now. I think it helped. I also think just having someone else (and a qualified someone else)get involved helped with my stress. He also had a full health check and bloods with my vet to rule out any medical reason he was being a jerk.

            Interesting though 2 events occurred not long after the last biff up that seemed to change things. Firstly my poor pup was diagnosed with a growth deformity which required surgery. This all went well, but meant I had to keep her totally separated for 8 weeks as she needed to recover. My big boy seemed to really miss the play times during this time and was found putting toys through her enclosure so they could play tug-o-war and would just sit with her all the time.

            Near the end of her recovery my big boy had a few bouts of intense abdominal pain which he ended up in ICU multiple times. After much investigation, including seeing a specialist it was found he has a lazy stomach (which has likely had his whole life but stress may have made it worse). Basically his food was sometimes just sitting in his gut and swelling and not being moved through his digestive system. Which explains why sometimes he wouldn't eat much for days, but he had always been like this and malamutes are also well known to do this even when nothing is wrong. Ughh anyway it was extremely painful and likely added to his random grumpiness. He's now on medication which reminds his stomach to digest.

            Since then it's been fantastic. They are the most amazing friends and do everything together. They let each other know when to back off and we have had no issues at all. WOOP









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            Last edited by Nicked22; 14-04-2018, 05:01 PM.

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            • #7
              This is the best update!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Nicked22 View Post
                Hello, thought I would give an update 1 year on. All is amazing!! I ended up getting one of the recommended trainers out to assess my big boy after my post (thank you). Nothing abnormal was really noted but we did some intense obedience work with him which has continued through till now. I think it helped. I also think just having someone else (and a qualified someone else)get involved helped with my stress. He also had a full health check and bloods with my vet to rule out any medical reason he was being a jerk.
                Gosh – What a fantastic update ! Thank you for telling us ! Bugger - Someone must be cutting up onions near me. Though, I also know I have a smile on all 4 of my cheeks !

                LOL - You are being really polite calling this little girl just only a ‘jerk’ ! I know when my little girl arrived here as an 8 week old – when she let out her first ‘feck you’ scream – both Riley and I wondered what the hell had arrived here ! Riley was the brave one – he just retreated. LOL - Though to this day – I wonder whether he initially wanted to pack his bags and leave ! But Riley didn’t leave home and helped me big time with our little girl. They are also best friends.

                Far out, your 2 pups have been ‘in the wars’ ! I am really pleased to read that you have been able to sort out their health problems and these 2 pups’ relationship is going great.

                Heaps and heaps of Kudos to you for what you have done for your 2 pups !

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RileyJ View Post
                  Gosh – What a fantastic update ! Thank you for telling us ! Bugger - Someone must be cutting up onions near me. Though, I also know I have a smile on all 4 of my cheeks !

                  LOL - You are being really polite calling this little girl just only a ‘jerk’ ! I know when my little girl arrived here as an 8 week old – when she let out her first ‘feck you’ scream – both Riley and I wondered what the hell had arrived here ! Riley was the brave one – he just retreated. LOL - Though to this day – I wonder whether he initially wanted to pack his bags and leave ! But Riley didn’t leave home and helped me big time with our little girl. They are also best friends.

                  Far out, your 2 pups have been ‘in the wars’ ! I am really pleased to read that you have been able to sort out their health problems and these 2 pups’ relationship is going great.

                  Heaps and heaps of Kudos to you for what you have done for your 2 pups !
                  Oh thank you! It was a horrible and stressful 6 months but I'm so happy where we have ended up. My bank balance is another story [emoji51]

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                  • #10
                    All sounds good....well done
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Nicked22 View Post
                      Oh thank you! It was a horrible and stressful 6 months but I'm so happy where we have ended up. My bank balance is another story [emoji51]

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                      Good stuff that you are so happy where all 3 of you are now ! It will only get better !

                      PFFTT – As for money – you can’t take it with you – so – Why not spend it on your precious pups ? Did you have ‘Pet Insurance’ for them ?

                      I am on a few FB pages. Every now and again someone posts a question – like – How much do you spend on your pups ?
                      LOL – For some reason I never reply to those sorts of posts !

                      What is more important to me is - We have a roof over our heads – we all eat really well now, since the pups have been on a raw diet. So the vet expenses have decreased massively. That means I have money in the bank. I call it a win-win ! Though I am not dealing with breed health issues with my 2 pups – like you have.

                      A couple of comments:

                      Be aware of the effect of your own body language on your 2 pups. They can read you better – than you can read them.

                      Also, I hope the ‘Jerk’ is getting training !

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RileyJ View Post
                        Good stuff that you are so happy where all 3 of you are now ! It will only get better !

                        PFFTT – As for money – you can’t take it with you – so – Why not spend it on your precious pups ? Did you have ‘Pet Insurance’ for them ?

                        I am on a few FB pages. Every now and again someone posts a question – like – How much do you spend on your pups ?
                        LOL – For some reason I never reply to those sorts of posts ! [emoji23]

                        What is more important to me is - We have a roof over our heads – we all eat really well now, since the pups have been on a raw diet. So the vet expenses have decreased massively. That means I have money in the bank. I call it a win-win ! Though I am not dealing with breed health issues with my 2 pups – like you have.

                        A couple of comments:

                        Be aware of the effect of your own body language on your 2 pups. They can read you better – than you can read them.

                        Also, I hope the ‘Jerk’ is getting training !
                        Ha ha, yes we are all still doing training.

                        I had insurance for my older boy but had just cancelled it as the premium went up ridiculously and he'd never had any health issues. Ughh go figure... Luckily I work at the specialist centre so I got a pretty good discount ;-) but totally agree, it's just money.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Nicked22 View Post
                          Ha ha, yes we are all still doing training.

                          I had insurance for my older boy but had just cancelled it as the premium went up ridiculously and he'd never had any health issues. Ughh go figure... Luckily I work at the specialist centre so I got a pretty good discount ;-) but totally agree, it's just money.
                          Gosh, that is really bad luck with your older boy and the insurance ! Always the way - Isn't ? Good stuff that you could get a really good discount for your boy and hopefully for your little girl !

                          How are they both now - Bright eyed and bushy tailed ? Is the 'Jerk' still pushing both you and your boy's buttons ? Sad fact of life is :


                          I have never bought insurance for my pups. Though surprisingly - I have some cover for my pups on my Home and Contents Insurance - at no extra cost ! Whoo whoo ! Though I bet if I make a claim - there goes the 'freebie insurance' !

                          Because I am now a RTOT - I have a credit card that's credit limit has crept up over the years. I use that as my insurance. Thankfully, I have never needed to use it - with my last 2 and my present 2 pups. Though it would have been very handy for my first little girl in 1975. She suffered from Grand Mal seizures and then was hit by a car at ~ 12 months old. I do have to say - it wasn't on my watch - but it was my responsibility. I had a friend looking after her - but then her new boyfriend came around - so she got a tad distracted !

                          When are going to put up a couple of photos of your precious pups ? I am sure I won't be only one dribbling over them !
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                          • #14
                            Thanks for sharing (and updating after 12 months!). Always glad to hear another success stories with training.

                            I have read somewhere that the spitz breeds (i.e. from Pomaranians to Samoys to Malamutes) are considered a more "primitive" breed where their ancestral primitive nature is more prevalent than other dogs, it's a bit easier to run into dominance and other related issues with these dogs. I personally believe they are not the easiest dogs to train and it can get very frustrating. We had a German Spitz for 17 years and he was quite a handful, so working with a good trainer(s) is pretty essential if you do not know a lot (like myself) at times of desperation.

                            It took me several years to fully understand his true nature. I have tried some training methods to establish myself as the Alpha, but he was resisting it so much that it was unhappy for both of us. At some point I wondered if I was working too hard against his nature, and maybe I should work with it instead. Then I started to think of our relationship more as "roommates" or "friends" rather than owner/pet. I noticed our relationship improved a lot and he was more willing to work with me. Maybe for some people it was super obvious and they would know from day 1, but it was quite a journey for us
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                            • #15
                              The ‘Dominance Theory’ and the ‘Pack Behaviour Theory’ have been proven as invalid via research and not appropriate for our pups and their training - regardless of the breed !

                              Though, I have to admit in my very early days in my pups training – these 2 ideals were - what was expected and we were suggested very strongly to train that way !

                              Thank heavens times have changed !

                              I work on the mantra now – that my 2 pups and I are a ‘WIP’. All 3 of us are learning new things all the time.

                              I now understand this very clearly – That it will take time, perseverance, patience, training, socialising, heaps of love, a sense of humour and heaps of very special treats to get a pup to trust and bond with you. But - This all takes time and training !

                              'furbaby' - Some links for you to read:

                              http://www.ava.com.au/public/about-p...dominance-dogs

                              http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/iss...s_20416-1.html

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