Resource gaurding me

[bernie]

So we have had our new pup 4 weeks. A working line gsd male. Our older pup juice, desexed female and older sister..has pinned him and growled twice this week. Rather alarming to listen to but nil injury. Pup peed itself in submission, which i have read as very strong submissive behaviour. Pup does not give a rats arse n bounces back in minutes.
On both occasions, ive stopped her, firm clear "No!", crated her for 10-15 mins. Resetting her off switch.
Great till 2 days later n repeat.
Environmentally, there has been breaches of dog etiquette: pup jumping on me or a bone in the room to gaurd.
Juice gets heaps of 1:1 time with me. Pup comes on off leash dawn daily walk. But all training is separate.
What would others do to train this out?
Juice has been heavily reinforced for friendly gentle behaviour toward pup. All are safe. I can manage them to avoid flare ups.
And despite having a ctate each, pup drags his blanket into her crate n they snuggle up all night.
Only happens when i or bone involved, so far.
Thoughts, suggestions anyone?
Ps. All 4 quadrants trainer here.


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[ThistleTheDog]

[bernie]

Ty thistle.
I too have avoided correcting. Outside of firm no. Then calmly into crate.
Calm being the theme i want in 1st place.
Lots of praise when she is nice to him which is 99% of time.

[RileyJ]

[ThistleTheDog]

[bernie]

Im 100% sure its OTT, but its her letting pup know she wont allow him near: bone, me, or on sofa.
No dogs allowed on sofa till a few months ago. So ive stopped that for all.
Im letting juice be 'my fave' no.1 dog.
She gets fed 1st, leashed 1st, worked 1st.
And trebbled reinforcement of calm, gentle.
We r seeing improvement in only 1 pinned to floor so far.
They are wrestling better together this week??

[RileyJ]

Im 100% sure its OTT, but its her letting pup know she wont allow him near: bone, me, or on sofa.
No dogs allowed on sofa till a few months ago. So ive stopped that for all.
Im letting juice be 'my fave' no.1 dog.
She gets fed 1st, leashed 1st, worked 1st.
And trebbled reinforcement of calm, gentle.
We r seeing improvement in only 1 pinned to floor so far.
They are wrestling better together this week??????

[bernie]

I am getting soft.
But if shes led down, and the pup leaves his crate to walk out dog door for a pee - shell get him.
Hes not being a pita, hes not even in the same room.

If i start giving commands, the dynamic changes hugely. And not a problem when training them.

[ThistleTheDog]

Might be a matter of more frequent commands until it is more routine for her? She did suddenly get a new housemate, so some upset to be expected and will take a bit to fade.

However do not want her being unfair to him. Later on when she has settled and if seems appropriate can let them communicate, but for now... i figure keep playing "you're the favourite i love you" with a side of "sit here and wait, lay here and wait and think while puppy gets attention".

[bernie]

I did some training this w.e. "in ur crate". So i can train them separately without interferance for juice. This makes training so much easier.
2 dogs have been = 2 half trained dogs. As i renovate n go to work.
Took both dogs to new home where there is a lovely garden but more impotantly: 2 very vocal gsd's living next door. Trained:ignore the barking. Not a peep out of my 2 despite neighbours dogs constant barks, fence charging/scrabble to climb fence. Very happy with non reaction.
Juice has met the neighbours dogs as theyd been getting over the old broken one. Now a 6foot solid fence.
Wish neighbour would train his 2. But as they dont get walked, understandable they are vocal.

We move in on grand final day. Cant wait. Eli ate a ton of dirt. Puked it up in my car, on way home. Lesson learnt fingers crossed x

[RileyJ]

I am getting soft.
But if shes led down, and the pup leaves his crate to walk out dog door for a pee - shell get him.
Hes not being a pita, hes not even in the same room.

If i start giving commands, the dynamic changes hugely. And not a problem when training them.

[newfsie]

I don't give any special treatment to the previous dogs when I bring a pup or a newf Rescue into our home... if anything I am more insistent on my "ignore" until I ask you to come to me.

And I do allow my older dogs to tell off puppies.... My new pup is rather forward and she has been a bit rude and has been put in her place by the older bitches, but no teeth used just grumpies, as I call them. One of my dogs can do a long distance loud bark and Hope stops whatever she is doing... My other young dog was a bit put off initially, but I just kept the work and training routine the same. no extra treats or cuddles, just as it always was. I don't allow ownership over me, toys or bones.... Our six have to be able to be in the same area with their bones, not on top of each other but in the same yard. Toys or bones get picked up if any issues and the dog that causes it is put in the kennel run... We had quite a few issue with our last Newf Rescue boy. In my pack all the bones and toys belong to me and as long as there is peace I "share".... I think when you have packs of dogs you become sort of tough and kind. Our only issue right now is if the non-newf tells the puppy off, the newfs might stand over her. I don't like that , so I stop that with me being there physically and Aghhh. Works for me... We have always had packs at home. From my Dad breeding GSD's to us now having newfies sometimes combined with work dogs... I believe I am their leader, I don't do the Alpha roll or anything, but I will show my displeasure and put someone away for a time. I don't care who is in first or last. I want peace and harmony. And with five bitches and one male, you have to be consistent.

I hope you move goes well, sad that the dogs next door are not trained and obviously bored.... I hope they settle down and get used to you all

[bernie]

They are besties again this week.
Go figure?
I have been ensuring juice gets lots of outlet to bite her tug, using this over her ball.
Sleeping together, romp around like loons in garden.
Happy with 99% of behaviour.
I do see change in body language of juice at meal times though. But completed "in yor bed" training Eli, so hes out the way, stays in bed whilst i prep food. Whilst juice is free.
And changed meaty bones, this week to ribs that are devoured rapidly, so nothing laying around to gaurd.
Seems sorted. No aggro for 8 days now. Fingers crossed.

[bernie]

Sorted completly for now.
Expect a shift as he matures.

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[Kalacreek]

Glad there is peace for the moment. I have a bossy older nearly 11yo female cattle dog. She is very good natured and social out an about with other dogs and people but at home she thinks that I am all hers. She allows the my young bitches to come near me when I am on the sofa but she takes exception to my males and will run barking at them and grip them. They are good natured and just turn their heads at her. They are too big for her to drop them and they could probably nail her if they really wanted to. I just let her know I am not happy and will make her hold and call them in for a pat. If she behaves I reward her with a pat. It doesn't stop her the next time but fortunately it has never shown any sign of escalating probably mainly due to the good nature of my boys. Out and about they play happily with each other.