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    I'm new to the forum and I was wondering if anyone knows of a Groodle Breeder in the Geelong/Bellarine Peninsula area named Sharon?

    In 2003 I was purchased a beautiful golden pup named Hugo from her which has turned out to a life long companion and I was hoping to make contact with her again.

    Can anyone help?


  • #2
    My brother has a groodle - about 18 months old - is driving him nuts. He says it's because it only speaks French ie my brother can't train it.

    You might try asking at a local dog training club around Geelong if they have anyone there with groodles and then ask them where they got theirs from.

    Also - you will find that even if you get a groodle from the same breeder (not likely to have the same parents because it's too long for the bitch to be still breeding), that it could have a very different personality from the one you've had. It's sometimes better to get something completely different so you're not comparing.

    Tho I am a bit biased - as I've lived with about four different cattle dog mixes and they've all been different but I love the way they are the same too.

    The main thing you want to check with any breeder - is that they're doing the health checks - DNA tests, Hip scores on the parent dogs to make sure they have the smallest chance possible of doubling up on bad genes like the ones that cause hip dysplasia and PRA (Blindness) etc.

    Disorders by Breed - Poodle (Standard) - LIDA Dogs - Faculty of Veterinary Science - The University of Sydney

    Disorders by Breed - Golden retriever - LIDA Dogs - Faculty of Veterinary Science - The University of Sydney

    And any promise that's important to you - you want to get that in writing - plus a consequence that is acceptable to you also in writing.

    Eg if the dog turns out to be blind or lame - would you return it to the breeder knowing they will most likely put it to sleep or do you want them to pay a part of vet fees?

    If they promise you a small non-shedding dog - and it turns out to be nearly as big as a great dane (all groodles I've met have been bigger and taller than golden retrievers and standard poodles even when the owner was assured that it was made with a miniature poodle not a standard poodle) - do you want to return the dog or get the breeder to pay for cleaning your house?

    Anyone who sells you a cross breed - cannot guarantee what genetics it will inherit ie they can't guarantee a groodle will be non-shedding or that it will be small. But if they do make this promise - ask for it in writing. If they won't make the promise in writing - you know what it's worth.

    How do I find a good dog breeder? - RSPCA Australia knowledgebase

    Groodles are also very popular with puppy farmers. Puppies from puppy farms are at risk of not enough people time and not enough dog social time which can lead to a dog that upsets every other dog it meets so you can't take it for walks. Groodles and labradoodles mostly do this by charging up to every dog they see and getting in their face without doing any kind of polite introduction (I'm no threat to you even tho I'm huge and a clutz).

    All puppies in Victoria must be at least 8 weeks old and microchipped before they are rehomed. Do not buy from anyone who offers you a puppy that is younger or unmicrochipped. Do not fall for any sad stories about the mother died or it's the last one of the litter etc. You want to meet the mother dog at least but ideally both parent dogs - to see if you get along with them. If one or the other is excessively nervous or grumpy you might want to go elsewhere for your puppy.

    If the breeder says you can't see where the puppies are - because you might bring disease - this is true but they can offer a foot wash and it's a common excuse for people who breed their dogs in appalling conditions. You also risk adopting a diseased puppy and those breeders won't be providing you with copies of their health testing (hips and DNA).
    Last edited by Hyacinth; 17-02-2015, 06:23 PM.


    • #3
      Hi Damien,

      Did you buy the puppy from Torquay? If so, then I know the breeder Sharon, I was actually the owner of the father of those pups the Standard Poodle. Carol


      • #4

        Damien hasn't been back since February.

        If you're the owner of the male dog in the pairing, I'm curious to know how you decided on the pairing.

        Did you or the bitch's owner
        1. Get any hip scores done?
        2. Get checked for PRA

        Or check for any of the other genetic disorders that can be passed onto the puppies if both parents carry?
        Including the following?
        •Factor VIII Deficiency
        •Haemolytic Anaemia
        •Haemophilia A
        •Diabetes Mellitus
        •Lymphocytic thyroiditis
        •Granulomatous sebaceous adenitis
        •Myasthenia Gravis
        •Osteochondritis dissecans
        •Osteochondrosis dissecans
        •Optic nerve hypoplasia, bilateral


        • #5
          Hi Hyacinth

          I'm curious to know what answering you are seeking with this line of questioning?



          • #6
            I'm curious to know what answering you are seeking with this line of questioning?
            Hi Damiennag

            I was addressing my questions to chenry who posted that they have the stud dog from a groodle pairing...

            Since you're back - how did your search go?

            Groodles and other poodle crosses are very popular dogs - ie lots of people want them - until they know more about where most of them come from.

            So my post contains a list of genetic problems that overlap between a Golden Retriever and a Poodle. You could have looked them up from the links I posted in Feb. Some of them have specific tests so that you can avoid risking making puppies with those problems. Probably the worst one is PRA or progressive blindness. But the others aren't much fun and golden retrievers have a lot of joint problems so you want to do your best to reduce the risk of buying a giant vet bill.

            Theoretically a person who breeds groodles can do all the tests on both parent dogs (or several) so they make a good pairing as far as genetics and temperament go. But I've yet to encounter a single one who does this. Most of them don't even think about it. Some go as far as saying they do this stuff but when a potential puppy buyer asks to see the paperwork or evidence they get all defensive and have nothing to show.

            And if something goes wrong with the puppy the best these kinds of breeders will do is say give us the puppy back (if it's still young) and we will give you your money back (or some of it). But it's too late for the family once the puppy goes home - most people can't send a puppy they've bonded with back any more than they could return a child for being sick or bad tempered.

            So does Chenry represent the first groodle breeder - in my experience - that qualifies as a "responsible breeder" or not?

            Or are you better off (at least as far as your hip pocket goes) to get a puppy from the shelter / mutts home.


            • #7
              Originally posted by Damienag View Post
              Hi Hyacinth

              I'm curious to know what answering you are seeking with this line of questioning?

              Having learnt from past experience it is important when breeding dogs to have at least some genetic testing done of common genetic disorders. You can be lucky but there can be a lot of pain if you are not, and a carrier of a recessive genetic disorder is bred to another carrier as 25 % of the pups are likely to express the genetic disorder. You can breed a carrier but it should be to a non carrier and you need testing to know this.

              Goldies in particular and poodles can suffer from hip dysplasia and it is always good to have the parents scored for this so when they are bred you know both parents have good hip scores. I have a dysplastic dog and it has been rather expensive and not much fun really.

              I think if more people tested their breeding stock it would save a lot of pain. I have known people have to euthanaise there dogs from a genetic eye disorder called PRA which leads to blindness in dogs that inherit the recessive gene from both parents. I know several specialist vets well and they tell me quite a lot of what they have to try and fix could be prevented if breeders were moreresponsible about testing their dogs.

              Just a thought when looking for your pup. As I said you could in many cases you are likely to be lucky but sometimes the luck runs out as it has in one of my dogs and quite a few other dogs I know from untested parents. These problems seem to be coming a lot more common. Having been burnt once and had to fork out a load of cash I am very particular now about the health testing protocols of my breeder.

              The last Border collie I got came with hip and elbow scores of both parents and the parents were certified clear for all the collie eye diseases and the terible genetic disease TNS. My cattle dog was certified clear of PRA as neither parents were carriers. A friend of mine had to euthanaise a young cattle dog with early onset PRA inheirited from untested parents. PRA is devastating. I never used to give this sort of stuff any thought untill I got burnt.
              Last edited by Kalacreek; 27-05-2015, 01:31 AM.


              • #8
                Before getting a "designer dog" have a look at this...

                Hidden suffering of cross-breed dogs bred to be cute | Daily Mail Online

                The Truth About Designer Dogs


                Would be cheaper to get a crossbreed dog from the pound.
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                • #9
                  Hi Dogman,

                  not meaning to be rude but every dog is a crossbreed at some point or other, if you want a completely healthy non cross breed dog you’d be best at looking for the Alaskan wolf as that is the only pure breed dog.

                  Two forms of the one gene must be present in order for genetic diseases to be passed on, so the further the type of dog from the other breed the less likely they will be to share a similar gene and then pass it on. It’s just like inbreeding, you’re likely to present a more healthy human or animal if they are from two different breeds or countries.