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    I don't have a purebred dog, but I would not support buying where I could not meet the parent dogs and see that they were being cared for in the best possible conditions.

    I don't like to buy battery farm eggs either or feed lot beef (aka Grain fed) and am a bit careful about what pork I get too. I can afford to choose to buy stuff that has been grown or made ethically, not using cruelty or slave labour.

    The trouble with pet shops and "designer dog breeders" is that so very few of them are cruelty free - I don't know of any. You don't get to see the conditions the dogs live in - and the pet shop conditions are not good for puppies, no proper socialisation with other dogs or people.

    Yes there is a demand and most people think it's fine to look up what they want on the net and go there without thinking about the baggage those puppies comes with.

    Every day I walk at our local park and I see the health problems and some of the social problems those dogs have. At least all those dog owners have more of an idea of where to go next time they want a puppy.

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    Battery hens are becoming a thing of the past because I personally know no one who still buys cage eggs. If we can convince people to ask breeders about health checks and meeting the parents etc (there was recently a new member who did find a pugalier breeder who did this) then this is a step in the right direction.

    Quite a few of the people who come here asking for a breeder for one of these designer crosses are asking if someone knows a responsible breeder. It is unfair to say that they do not care at all. Whether they care enough to not buy from a puppy farm if they cannot find a more ethical alternative is another question.

    I just think it is not at all helping the cause to treat these people with such contempt. We are passing up an opportunity to educate them. Even if we cannot prevent them from getting that puppy they want, if we wouldn't just chase them away at least they could learn about how to care for that pup.

    I'm pretty sure we do have members who bought pups from pet stores before they came on here. And they are much more believable advocates for the cause than those who didn't, if you know what I mean.

    To achieve a cultural change, often slow and steady works best.

    Just my 2c.

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    I reckon heaps of people must still buy cage eggs. The majority of eggs available and sold in supermarkets are battery farm cage eggs. And "free range" is a bit dubious too. You have to be specific about brand then or buy organic - because at least the organic certs have a definition of free range and occasionally conduct compliance inspections.

    BTW I didn't get to meet the parent dogs of my puppy - cos she was a rescue and the parents weren't there. I'd rather we never needed rescues or needed them much less but I'm not going to contribute if I can help it.

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    By the year 2013, Coles will no longer stock home brand cage eggs.

    Coles cage egg phase out decision welcome // Animals Australia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Augustine The Boxer View Post
    By the year 2013, Coles will no longer stock home brand cage eggs.

    Coles cage egg phase out decision welcome // Animals Australia
    And about time too............I went to a free range farm not that long ago...i suppose they were not caged, but the free range was very dubious. Dry paddock with clay type hard packed soil.

    But on the plus side, I went to one nearby locally, they had maremma dogs and large paddocks with some large shelters for night time and laying.

    The new thing now is a huge increase in feedlotting cattle.......That is a HUGE step backwards.

    I just wish that anyone who bred animals and this includes dogs, thought of the animals instead of the $$$$ signs, now that would be a perfect world.........
    Pets are forever

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    I did a little bit of research on this and now buy only eggs from one particular brand that I consider truly free range. Those barns look pretty sad too and sometimes even the outside ones are so cramped it is barely better than cages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    But if those that genuinely do care about dogs' wellbeing and getting rid of puppy mills and dodgy BYB just always react with "These dogs should not be bred", that doesn't do anything to trying to improve the conditions these dogs are bred in. I cannot really explain it well... I would like to see the creation of some register of breeders for these dogs, with a code of practice etc similar to what purebred breeders use. And I know it can never be the same, but it would be one way to try and improve the breeding conditions at least. Because demand is never going to go away.

    But becasuse of the reactions of the registered breeder community, they are virtually pushed 'underground'. Does that make sense?
    It's a little bit like when sex education constitutes telling them not to have sex... I am someone now who will probably not buy another pure breed due to a few terrible experiences. If you think that going to a registered breeder who has dogs titled in shows is any sort of guarantee that you will be getting a healthy and quality animal who will make a great pet, well, sadly there just are no guarantees no matter which way you go about it.

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