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    Contender I have seen you sign onto a few pit boards, I will only give you this advise once, if you want to own an APBT without constant stress, worry, exorbitant costs or living the shitty existence of an outlaw to keep a dog safe, then up stumps and move to either of the two territories, the territories will fall in time however unless some sort of cultural shift happens, the writing is on the wall, with national/ Fed inclusions and standardised stuff that have been talked about, and are in the works as I type. How long, who knows, it could be a while it could be not long away.

    At the moment the breed known as AST is safe as long as it has papers, this may or may not change in the future, but for the time being the APBT is outlawed and you will have to have the stones, and integrity to live as a guardian not just an owner if you want one.
    Now out in the sticks away from prying eyes it is possible, it will always be possible to own and keep, but just read the stuff people go through on here on other boards and ask yourself how you could handle the stress, the loss, the heartbreak and is it worth it.

    I have know doubt some others have given you advise also, but ask yourself this, apart from immediate gain of a dog that has a potential to live 15 years or so, what else do they offer, do they offer a life risk free of fines, risk free of a dog being seized, risk free of massive costs, minimal stress and a life where you can remain where you are as long as you want.

    In the end the choice is yours but you have to realise the stress involved in dealing with BSL and all of its effects, its not just about a dog, its your life and the lives of everyone around you that changes.

    You came on looking for an amstaff breeder, stick with it buddy is all I have to offer.

    You can own an APBT, everyone has a choice, but believe me, its not easy, and to learn the ropes and tricks of keeping dogs absolutly safe in catch up mode, the same that old hands and breed stewards know, is a job to learn before you acquire one.
    Beau.
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    There shouldn't be any stress or worry if I were to buy a pit. I'd raise it well and ensure that I draw no unnecessary attention to it. I don't understand why there are such strict laws against the APBT. I know many people with APBTs and they have never experienced any problems.

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    So do I, I used to have a saying that goes stay of the main trail and keep your camp fires small. Just meaning stay out of sight and draw no attention. And that was pre BSL.

    Many people don't experience any problems, many people however do. not one of them has no worries or fears, whether they get the dog knowing what it is, or whether its a rescue case, or a dog they might think is one, a dog they didnt think was one but are being told is one or could be mistaken for one, if they say they don't they are putting up false courage either through fear as a counter measure to that fear or just plain old dumbshit ignorance on there behalf either way they are lying to your face whether they themselves know it or not.

    If people had no worries they would be selling openly, having kennel addresses listed, open phone numbers listed, not throw away pre paid mobile numbers for every litter that is advertised etc, the circles of exceptional breeders and combines wouldnt be closed to newbies. everyone would be showing the dogs off to all and sundry.

    Best of luck to you and the dog you choose to get.

    I mean that sincerely.
    Beau
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    Beau.

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    I'd raise it well and ensure that I draw no unnecessary attention to it.
    How are you going to do that and keep it out of sight?

    Dogs that mistaken for APBT - get dobbed in often enough. Every dog that is a bitsa on the news that gets into trouble gets reported as a "Pitbull" so the general public have no idea what they really look like. There are people out there scared of every dog, and anything that looks vague staffie - even more so.

    I just hope your dog of choice gets to have a proper run occasionally and not have to live like a mushroom under the house.

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    Amstaffs don't get reported where I'm from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Contender2148 View Post
    Amstaffs don't get reported where I'm from.
    They do when this happens.

    Reservoir owner vows to fight for impounded dogs - Council - News - Preston Leader

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    It's unlikely that will happen in my area and even more unlikely for it to be my dog if I buy an Amstaff or APBT.

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    Wouldn't u rather own a dog that is know for gentle friendly temperament, a dog u can take to the dog beach/ park and let it run with the other dogs and play without fear it may turn and lock jaw on a little kid or another dog? Or worry that someone will dob u in and u have to keep ur dog in a dog run have it muzzled when u walk it and if u don't do these things risk losing ur dog or worse having it taken away and euthanized? I just don't get it? Surely these dogs are bred in some way to be aggressive in some form otherwise they wouldn't be the main breed involved with dog fighting and majority of time when someone is attacked its usually a pitty, I know it also counts how the dog is raised and trained but a lot of it is instinct and nature of he breed..do you just Want a pitty to look tough or something? I just don't get why u would go to all that trouble

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    Quote Originally Posted by elle.burns View Post
    Wouldn't u rather own a dog that is know for gentle friendly temperament, a dog u can take to the dog beach/ park and let it run with the other dogs and play without fear it may turn and lock jaw on a little kid or another dog?
    Was this sentence even necessary? Any dog, with teeth can lock it's jaw onto a kid and rip it's face off, not just a pitbull, and it's people like you that write comments on pages like this that are doing nothing to help the breed, the breed is banned, so why make it worse? As a child we grew up with two piurebred PB's, lived on a farm, with sheep & chickens and never had problems with them, they wouldn't touch the other animals, because they were trained not to! on the other hand, the lab that we frequently pass by on our afternoon walks is extremely aggressive, the owner can barely keep hold of him (male owner) and i would say if it ever managed to get free, it would probably rip my dogs to shreds. I think the point that needs to be made here, like everybody has been saying is, is it worth owning a banned breed, be it a breed you may love and be constantly looking over your shoulder?
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    ASTs are known as the nanny dog. They ARE renowned for their excellent temperaments with humans.

    Dog fighting is outlawed, thankfully, and considered very primitive these days. Ethical pit and Amstaff breeders do not breed for aggression in any way, shape or form. Not towards other animals and especially not towards humans.

    A German Shepherd has as much ability to tear off a kid's face--a breed that was prosecuted in the same way as APBTs, Rottweilers and a bunch of other breeds. I don't think the Aus Gvt realises that one of the most popular breeds in this country (SBT) essentially a pit in a different size and with a different name.


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