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    I've never heard of either of the territories to have any APBT kennels?

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    No purebred APBT breeders advertise, they don't need to.

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    What are the laws on APBT in nsw? I've heard it's possible to legally buy dangerous dogs.
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    Not in NSW - if the dog has been declared dangerous or is of restricted breed (eg APBT). This is just the bit on selling, you're not allowed to sell or accept one of these. If you already have a restricted dog or your dog is declared dangerous - you must get it desexed. And you must not allow it to breed.

    It's mostly in here
    COMPANION ANIMALS ACT 1998

    specifically selling is prohibited...
    COMPANION ANIMALS ACT 1998 - SECT 52A Prohibition on selling dangerous dog or proposed dangerous dog
    COMPANION ANIMALS ACT 1998 - SECT 52A
    Prohibition on selling dangerous dog or proposed dangerous dog
    52A Prohibition on selling dangerous dog or proposed dangerous dog

    (1) A person who sells, or advertises the sale of, a dangerous dog or proposed dangerous dog is guilty of an offence.
    Maximum penalty: 150 penalty units.
    Note: The term “sell” extends to the transfer of owner by any means, including by gift.
    Abandoning an animal is also an offence-see section 11 of the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979 .
    (2) A person does not commit an offence under this section by reason only of surrendering a dangerous dog or proposed dangerous dog to a council pound or an approved animal welfare organisation.
    Note: A dangerous dog that is surrendered to a council pound or an approved animal welfare organisation cannot be sold.
    (3) In this section and in section 52B, "proposed dangerous dog" means a dog that is the subject of a proposed declaration under Division 1.
    and for APBT restricted breed
    COMPANION ANIMALS ACT 1998 - SECT 57A Prohibition on selling restricted dog or proposed restricted dog
    Prohibition on selling restricted dog or proposed restricted dog
    57A Prohibition on selling restricted dog or proposed restricted dog

    (1) A person who sells, or advertises the sale of, a restricted dog or proposed restricted dog is guilty of an offence.
    Maximum penalty: 150 penalty units.
    Note: The term “sell” extends to the transfer of owner by any means, including by gift.
    Abandoning an animal is also an offence-see section 11 of the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979 .
    (2) A person does not commit an offence under this section by reason only of surrendering a dog to a council pound or an approved animal welfare organisation.

    Note: A restricted dog that is surrendered to a council pound or an approved animal welfare organisation cannot be sold.
    You might want to get familiar with all those rules. You cannot legally buy a restricted breed dog (APBT) in the ACT and bring it back to NSW either because that would be "accepting ownership".

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    so what are they hoping for? the extinction of the breed in the country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Contender2148 View Post
    so what are they hoping for? the extinction of the breed in the country?
    In short YES
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    Personally - I'd rather the law makers focus on people who want to own dogs that will attack other people or dogs.

    It's not the dog that is the problem, its the owner who trains or not-trains it and then allows it to wander.

    And it would be a problem for all dogs that have teeth - if they keep banning breeds like this.

    Having said that it's a stupid law - I wouldn't want you to openly break it or ask us to help you to do that. If you really want one of these dogs, you might need to move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    Yes Choppa but not every dog that is imported from the States will have had APBT blood infused into the lines when the studbooks were opened only a select few lines would have had the APBT blood infused. And 40 years down the track which is a lot of generations of dogs I might add, that is a lot of watered down APBT blood.

    So all in all dogs coming into Aus now (Amstaff) will have very little APBT blood if any at all. It takes a lot to have a new breed recognised ala what the Labradoodle is going through right now or the Koolie. So the fact that they are recognised as a separate breed means they are a separate breed, bred for different reasons, looks and temperaments.

    But as I stated before they are still very closely related and are similar in looks and temperament. They are like the different breeds of Mastiff similar but different. I also count the SBT, American Bulldog and Ambully lines as well, they all came from the same lines but diverged at a certain part in history - similar but different.

    And I still think that APBT and Amstaff people should stick together in relation to things like BSL etc.
    Yes but they are not different breeds K&P.
    You say how in my stance I could say so but the I say how in your stance could you say so?

    They were only entered into the books as the name Staffordshire Terrier was taken ,so Mr Colby and friends added American and Bull to make the difference.

    The Amstaff was bred from the APBT.
    The amstaff has never had any other blood lines introduced to it,save the APBT when fresh genes were needed to be infused .

    It wont give a pigs oink how much dna was in the dogs being imported,fact is,they did open the books,for 2 years from my understanding, so still no matter how you would like to look at it , the Amstaff and the APBT are genetically the same dog.
    So then....it quacks like a duck , it certainly looks like a duck......mmmmmm well then what do you think it is then?

    And I guess then that the Bull Arab is also a recognised breed all of its own too ?
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    I've found a breeder who claims that it is possible to legally breed APBTs. He's told me that only registered breeders are legally allowed to breed and sell restricted breeds.

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    Where is this person? In NSW? then he's lying.

    And what does he mean by "registered breeder"?.

    he won't be registered with ANKC - cos they don't register APBT

    And he wont be registered as a breeder of APBT in NSW because it's illegal to breed them there. "Registered" or not. There is no exception in the NSW law. You can read it yourself.

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