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    There are breeders of very sound amstaff, AMERYKUS kennels come to mind who breed for function and have Aus's only (or used to) agility titled dogs. Thats just from things I have read over time, no personal experience with them, so can't vouch for the dogs at all.

    Jump on an amstaff forum to network with breeders in Aus. I think there's only two on here who only pop in from time to time.
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    Thanks for the help guys, much appreciated it. What's the go with the APBT these days? I was reading in some countries the Amstaff and APBT are considered the same thing.

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    They are completely separate.

    From what I understand the Pitbul isn't a definite breed at all, it is more of a description given to dogs of a certain appearance.

    AmStaffs are pedigreed dogs with a recorded lineage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crested_Love View Post
    They are completely separate.

    From what I understand the Pitbul isn't a definite breed at all, it is more of a description given to dogs of a certain appearance.

    AmStaffs are pedigreed dogs with a recorded lineage.
    American Pitbull Terrier's certainly are a definite breed, they are recognised by the UKC in the UK and there are several registries in the US and Canada. We don't recognise them as a breed here in Australia but there is a breed club in Victoria and in the past breeders had Papered ADBA (the biggest APBT registry in the US) dogs here in Australia. When people use the word "Pitbull" they can either be using it as a short term for the APBT (such as people use Staffy for Staffordshire Bull Terriers) or they could be referring to a dog who fits a certain type ie: looks like a APBT or has similar characteristics but is of unknown mixed heritage. In America "pitbull" can refer to a number of breeds and crosses of those breeds including Staffy, Amstaff, APBT, American Bulldog, Ambullies etc.

    American Staffordshire Terrier's were created back in the 1930's as the AKC did not want to register the breed under the name American Pitbull Terrier. The Amstaff was developed as a purely show breed to begin with and has been bred to look slightly different to the APBT, in the 70's they opened up the studbooks to bring in new blood from the APBT lines but that was in the States. Most Amstaff's here in Aus have been very separate from their APBT history for a fair while now.

    They are essential a separate breed now and are bred for different looks but they are very closely related and have similar temperaments.

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    They had a court case in QLD that proved that they were not. They have common ancestry but AMStaff have been selectively bred to be different, especially as far as temperment goes.

    It is illegal to import APBT into Australia - that's a federal customs law.

    In most states (but not territories) it is also illegal to breed APBT or give them away or sell them or keep one that is not desexed and kept in a secure run at home, and muzzled and on lead in public. And in some states - that goes for cross breeds of APBT too.

    Unfortunately - it's a bit difficult to tell an APBT from an Amstaff just by looking. And given that APBT have been excluded from the ANKC dog registers - it can be hard to prove that the dog in front of you is an APBT and not some look alike bitsa breed eg a Lab x Boxer could look the same too.

    So given that APBT is largely difficult to legally own in most of Australia - there is much less grief in owning an AmStaff or mabye a minature poodle.

    But if things in Victoria go the way they did in Italy - Italy ended up banning 95 different breeds of dog for being "dangerous". And then they decided repeal the law. In QLD they have decided to hold the owner responsible if their dog acts in a dangerous manner, with no legal excuse (eg defending property). Then it doesn't matter what breed the dog is if it's dangerous and the owner does nothing to prevent it attacking people or animals. Which seems much more sensible to me.

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    Well as usual,I'm the odd one out here *sigh*

    A blood line being selectively used for such a short period of time is certainly no 'new' breed'.
    40 odd years does in no way constitute a 'new' breed . In particular when the 2 blood lines inolved are still from the same dna' profiled breeds to begin with.
    Also,the amount of dogs being imported from the states over the last couple of years have made sure that Australia has had quite a diverse gene pool at their fingertips.
    Hardly a 'new' breed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    Well as usual,I'm the odd one out here *sigh*

    A blood line being selectively used for such a short period of time is certainly no 'new' breed'.
    40 odd years does in no way constitute a 'new' breed . In particular when the 2 blood lines inolved are still from the same dna' profiled breeds to begin with.
    Also,the amount of dogs being imported from the states over the last couple of years have made sure that Australia has had quite a diverse gene pool at their fingertips.
    Hardly a 'new' breed.

    Yes Choppa but not every dog that is imported from the States will have had APBT blood infused into the lines when the studbooks were opened only a select few lines would have had the APBT blood infused. And 40 years down the track which is a lot of generations of dogs I might add, that is a lot of watered down APBT blood.

    So all in all dogs coming into Aus now (Amstaff) will have very little APBT blood if any at all. It takes a lot to have a new breed recognised ala what the Labradoodle is going through right now or the Koolie. So the fact that they are recognised as a separate breed means they are a separate breed, bred for different reasons, looks and temperaments.

    But as I stated before they are still very closely related and are similar in looks and temperament. They are like the different breeds of Mastiff similar but different. I also count the SBT, American Bulldog and Ambully lines as well, they all came from the same lines but diverged at a certain part in history - similar but different.

    And I still think that APBT and Amstaff people should stick together in relation to things like BSL etc.
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    The UKC is an American registry, not English

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    So what states and territories aren't they illegal?

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    Basically ABPT - are legal in ACT and NT. And that's it. I think. Importing them is a federal ie National crime ie not allowed anywhere in oz.

    Other states - they're restricted ie you have to keep them under strict lockup, desexed, no breeding, selling or give away, and muzzled and on lead at all times in public places.

    And Victoria won't register them at all anymore. So they're all illegal in Vic unless you had it registered and restricted at the time their legislation came in. And then - they can refuse to renew the registration - so the dog suddenly becomes illegal even if it or you have done nothing wrong.

    This morning I heard a news story about a kelpie x mauling a 2yo toddler's face somewhere near Mt Gambier. It seems pointless banning a breed of dog and letting the owners continue to be irresponsible.

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