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    Quote Originally Posted by cavalierqld View Post
    And your comment regarding, most breeders having health checks, well I really hope that is happening more and more, but what I do see, and it is very evident in the posts here on this site is some posters urging people to buy from "registered" breeders only. While this is of course true, not many buyers of breeders "pet" puppies actually ask for evidence of extensive health checks, not only on the dam and sire, but grandies as well. I really believe whether its a purebred or crossbred, this information is imperative. It is not just good enough to praise the "registered" community, giving a false sense of security, and not address health!Unethical "registered - unethical BYB = the same, no difference.
    I think that you really need to address the lack of education and lack of research from pet buyers here, perhaps that should be lack of interest. There are TONNES of registered, ethical breeders who do all of the relevant health checks. There are also some, in the minority (who give the rest a bad name) who fail to do so.

    This is where the pet buyers take their fate, and that of their potential new companion, into their own hands. They can put the time and effort into getting to know a breeder, doing their research, seeing verified copies of the results of the testing and researching the lines that their puppy will come from. Or they can take the lazy, half assed way out and just take the first puppy that becomes available then bad mouth all registered breeders simply because they were too lazy & pig headed to do things properly. Which do you think Joe Bloggs from the general public will do??

    Sadly we no longer live in a society where people do the right thing, are honest, law abiding citizens and we all have to watch our backs to ensure we aren't being screwed over. We want everything now, immediately and when we don't get the quality we assume should be there from our immediate, impulse buy we complain, or (thanks to the way our legal system seems to be disintegrating) we sue.

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    A great post Angela. It always amazes me that people will put more effort into researching a replacement refrigerator or new car that they will not likely have for 13years+, but will take the first available puppy.

    If I was buying a puppy, I'd be looking for a breeder that's dogs have it all.

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    Most bracchy breeds Pugger? Umm, no Being brachy doesn't influence the dog's ability to whelp naturally.
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    Cav. Bottom right hand side of this post and anyone elses is a button that says quote.
    If you click on that, the reply window opens up with the quoted post in it. You can also edit it if there are parts of it not relevant to what you wish to say.

    Any posts made under the name of Di_dee1 one can be used by anyone as I do not give a rats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    Most bracchy breeds Pugger? Umm, no Being brachy doesn't influence the dog's ability to whelp naturally.
    The ones with bigger heads (most brachy breeds) have trouble birthing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC View Post
    A great post Angela. It always amazes me that people will put more effort into researching a replacement refrigerator or new car that they will not likely have for 13years+, but will take the first available puppy.

    If I was buying a puppy, I'd be looking for a breeder that's dogs have it all.
    Very true Mac, My concern is that way to often I hear breeders refering potential new puppy owners to find a registered breeder, not those bad byb people. This imparts a perception that "all" registered breeders are ethical. I have heard many people say "they were registered", thought we were doing the right thing? Your right when they say they should know better, but how can they when the popular misconception is that registered breeders are held up as the gods of puppy breeding world in the media, and sites like this one?
    The emphasis in media i believe needs to make people more aware that unethical breeders are the same as BYB, and when choosing a pup you need to physicaly see the health check documents on the parents and generations before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puggerup View Post
    The ones with bigger heads (most brachy breeds) have trouble birthing.
    Bigger heads??? The only brachy breed that has problems whelping to my knowledge are Bulldogs. They don't have big heads. The issue is that their pelvices and hips are narrow compared to the large chest and shoulders.

    Pugs are brachy and do not have a high incidence of caesars, nor do Boxers. Pekinese don't either. Pugs, Bulldogs and Pekes are the only true brachys also. Bostons, Boxers and Cavs etc aren't. I am having a brain fart and can't think of what they are called... Is it mesocephalic???
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    I've been told that pugs do have a high caesar rate

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    OBJECTIVES:

    To describe the frequency of caesarean sections in a large sample of pedigree dogs in the UK.
    METHODS:

    Data on the numbers of litters born in the previous 10 years were available from a cross-sectional study of dogs belonging to breed club members (2004 Kennel Club/BSAVA Scientific Committee Purebred Dog Health Survey). In this survey 151 breeds were represented with data for households that had reported on at least 10 litters (range 10-14,15): this represented 13,141 bitches which had whelped 22,005 litters. The frequency of caesarean sections was estimated as the percentage of litters that were reported to be born by caesarean section (caesarean rates) and are reported by breed. The dogs were categorised into brachycephalic, mesocephalic and dolicocephalic breeds.
    RESULTS:

    The 10 breeds with the highest caesarean rates were the Boston terrier, bulldog, French bulldog, mastiff, Scottish terrier, miniature bull terrier, German wirehaired pointer, Clumber spaniel, Pekingese and Dandie Dinmont terrier. In the Boston terrier, bulldog and French bulldog, the rate was > 80%.

    Proportion of litters of purebred dogs born by cae... [J Small Anim Pract. 2010] - PubMed result

    I couldn't find any Aussie statistics but I figured it was pretty universal.

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    Not to my knowledge, no.
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