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    If the reason is for not wanting to show, then she can get a pup on limited register from a registered breeder, regardless of if they show or not.
    You should know that being a registered breeder yourself

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    Breeding to "Standard" isnt always the best!! Its all about looks!! I refused to buy from a breeder all about showing!

    When we were looking for Our dog we were on a waiting list for one breeder. I got told by a "Show breeder" not to buy from them. Her words, "They only breed pets"

    Their main aim is health an temperment over Looks and show standard!! WTF??

    Our breeder was all about health temperment and a good healthy blood line! To me thats most important Over "Show standard"

    Note that with the british bulldog "Show standard is not always the best way for this breed health wise"
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    Pupperup, I am a registered breeder, and I have never shown my dogs. I breed with the intention of improving the breed, with the emphasis on health and temperment. My dogs grandies (35 years)before them have all belonged to family and good friends and have a very long record of immpecable genetic and overall health and while never having been in the "showring", could run rings around those that are, in relation to the breed standard "look". We are not in the business of winning titles, although my grandparents were for a little while, but we are more concerned with breeding healthy, quality well adjusted little individuals that will bring as much pleasure to someone elses family as they have to ours.
    I only have 4 dogs, 3 girls, one spayed at 6 months as she was slightly timid in nature and one lovely young man, and have only had 2 litters in the past 4.5 years, all were sold (mostly prior to mating) with the remaining pup sold by by 2 weeks old. My dogs live inside with my family, they have never seen a concrete kennel ,go on holidays with us, sleep on the bed and are very much loved.
    The emphasis, in my opinion should be in the best interests of the dog, health and the breed standard, not the owner! Titles and champion tags may allow you the privilage in the show world of prestige and higher selling prices, but it does not automaticaly grant you the status of a responsible and ethical breeder, nor does the show ring afford the dog a better quality of life. We have very high breed standards, as do many of our breeding friends, even those that dont show. So would appreciate your not imposing your views and assumptions on me.

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    My original post was due to fact that I do not know of any ethical Boston terrier breeders. My friend and her family have been searching for almost 2 years to find a pup.She has been treated very rudely by the very few she has found. I did not state she was looking for an unregistered breeder, just one who has the health of the puppies as number one priority.

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    Maybe look in a different Sate?
    There is a breeder near me who has very healthy dogs.

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    Agreed, health should be first and foremost. However conformation should be just as high a priority.
    When you aren't breeding for the show ring and aren't showing your dogs how do you know your dogs are up to standard?
    It's all very well good to read a breed standard but everyone interprets it differently.

    I will use my own breed as an example as I know it the best...
    Chinese Crested - Head and Skull
    Slightly rounded and elongated skull. Cheeks cleanly chiselled, lean and flat, tapering into muzzle. Stop slightly pronounced but not extreme. Head smooth, without excess wrinkles. Distance from base of skull to stop equal to distance from stop to tip of nose. Muzzle tapering slightly but never pointed, lean without flews. Nose a prominent feature, narrow in keeping with muzzle. Any colour nose acceptable. Head presenting graceful appearance, with alert expression. Lips tight and thin. An ideal crest begins at the stop and tapers off down neck. Long and flowing crest preferred, but sparse acceptable.

    Now when you take one part of this such as "tapering slightly", what constitutes as "slightly"?
    Some people may think slightly means 'as long as it's not straight' which would be incorrect, so they breed their dogs to have almost straight muzzles with barely any tapering. This would make them appear to have blocky coarse heads.
    And over a few generations the breeder gets used to seeing these blockier type heads and it gets worse and worse over time until you have these big coarse headed dogs that they think are right.

    That's why I see showing as important, by putting your dog out there to be judged you have the opinion of not only the judges but your peers as well, it's not just *you* thinking your dog is correct.

    I'm not having a go at you, just explaining why I think showing can be a very valuable tool in breeding.

    If they are willing to buy from Victoria I would highly recommend talking to Felicity Sommers, she runs the Boston Club of Vic.

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    cavalierqld....I like your views on breeding very much so.

    If I was after a cav, Iwould look you up (you dont need to worry as that will never happen, cavs arent my thing loL)

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    People need to find the right registered breeder. One that considers all aspects of the dog and it's breed.

    I show and breed my Whippets. This helps me to raise my game and only breed from the best. Yes I do take temperament into consideration and my dogs are only kennelled at night. This is to keep them and the native wildlife safe.

    I don't know why people automatically think ALL Registered Breeders involved in the show ring think only of looks, keep their dogs in concrete runs and don't love them and make them part of their life. I have one run, necessary for when the girls are in season as my boys will eat thru doors to get at the girls and for at night as my Gordon Setter and the Borzoi do not want to sleep in our warm bedroom during winter.

    As for pricing of pedigree dogs. I can only charge what the pet buying public are willing to pay. You've only got to take the colour blue into consideration to realise that it's the pet buying public that raises the price thru demand and supply. I also find most of the general pet buying public have the wrong view of the dog show world. Most have little or no interest in the ribbons or titles and that's fine, but my hard work and the show ring ensures that they get a whippet that looks like a whippet and functions like a Whippet.

    As to temperament, there is a difference between instinct and temperament. Much of a dogs temperament is due to the way it is raised not so much the temperament of the sire and dam.

    I've seen this proved time and time again thru rescue where the dam has been quite nervous and aggressive and the puppies have not gone on to be that way in their new homes.

    Several times a month my dogs are out at shows, where they are walked amongst other dogs and are handled by judges, they go to dog training and flyball, the enjoy our open door policy at home.

    Finding the right breeder takes time. We hate breeders who produce lots of puppies but at the same time so few people are willing to wait and find the right one. Find out about your breed and be informed, research for a breeder who suits you and considers all aspects of their breed and then be willing to wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crested_Love View Post
    Agreed, health should be first and foremost. However conformation should be just as high a priority.
    When you aren't breeding for the show ring and aren't showing your dogs how do you know your dogs are up to standard?
    It's all very well good to read a breed standard but everyone interprets it differently.
    I dont believe you have to be involved in showing to know what the breed standard is. People that have been around the breed for years, bred the breed, knowledge and researched the breed know the standard!

    They dont have to show one dog in their lifetime but they can know the "breed" standard better then someone in the show ring!
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    That's quite true to a certain extent. I think my male dog is one of the best going around, but I will never shut my eyes to the show ring as there may be better ones out there or better ones suited for mating to a particular bitch.

    If I'm not out in the show ring competing and comparing I wouldn't know. Currently I'm tossing up if I use my own stud dog over one of my bitches or if a couple of dogs from Melbourne would compliment her better.

    I'm always searching to better the breed, not just be content with average.

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