Not a lot of point pm'ing me Viszla breeder names - I know a few Viszlas from around Adelaide and I like them all though they're not my kind of dog, neither are labs but if I had to choose between those it would be the Viszla - because they're slightly smaller, faster and more agile.
If you do go hunting - it would be worth getting along to your local gun dog club and learning how to desensitise your dog to the noise and activity - they're not born gun tolerant - you have to teach them. There's a dog sport called "tracking" - you can join a tracking club (or any other dog training club) but you don't have to ever compete if you don't want to. Tracking training and competing - as best I can tell are not a lot different. There's a lot of time and effort in laying tracks (you lay track for others and then they lay track for you etc) and then fun following...
Labs are not good at Agility, and I'm not sure it's that great for their joints. Even if you keep them lean, they're not really built for jumping, tight turns and doing all that flat out. Viszlas are better at it, but more easily distracted.
If you are looking at more than one breeder - it is polite to let them know that's what you're doing, and let them know when you're committed, and when you change your mind. They might get upset but it makes life easier for them as far as finding homes for any extra puppies they might have (besides the ones they want to keep). The Viszla lady may have mistaken you for someone who is not serious. Phoning again might help, as might asking her to suggest someone else if she isn't likely to have any puppy available for you any time soon.
That's if you're fairly sure you want a Viszla. If you have decided you don't want one from her for whatever reason - it would be helpful for her to know that tho she may have decided that about you anyway.
And you can be sure that all the Visla breeders know each other so if you stuff one around, the rest are likely to not want to know you either. But that doesn't matter if you want a Lab.
I don't know anything about EIC scores either. But if it affects endurance (and you could ask the breeder about that) it might be best to move on. I know german short haired pointers and dalmations and kelpies can run all day - 30 to 40km - once they've built up the fitness - but I'm not sure about labs. Again because they're heavier - I'd be worried about the impact that would have on their joints.
Last edited by Hyacinth; 06-28-2012 at 11:54 PM.
I can't take this any more. Everyone is changing their minds and opinions making it impossible to decide. They all have these ridiculous misconceptions of all breeds - I sound arrogant but I think I'm the only one who knows anything about dogs here. There have been so many great opportunities passed up to get a great dog from Pet Rescue, but this can't happen because of their stubborn views of 'all kelpies and cattle dogs are always hyper and uncontrollable' and 'huskies will eat our faces off', etc.
All they want is a cross breed from a pet shop or a poodle, and of course, the person who knows the most about dogs and has put the time and effort into researching gets little say in the decision. A vizsla is probably my best bet since everyone sort-of likes them, but it will still be a challenge and there's no push since I don't even if digs from this litter are still available (I can't tell with with this breeder).
I don't want it to look like I'm wasting your time asking all of these questions and not doing anything about it. I'm sorry if it seems that way, but I can't help it and I hope I can speak some sense into the others and make the right decision soon.
By the way, thanks for your help, everyone.
I wonder, perhaps, if the time is just not right for a dog for your family? With some of the opinions you have expressed as coming from that quarter, I think you are pushing smelly wet stuff up hill. I also think that if I were a reputable, ethical breeder, then I would sense the family dynamic and quite probably be less enthusiastic about selling you a dog.
That said, without going back through all the pages, did anyone ever suggest a Lagotto Romagnolo? Gun dog breed. Medium size. Hypoallergenic. Often mistaken gor poodle cross..... If it has been suggested already, apologies.
If your kids are busy with school (high school?) and activities, sports etc after school
and on the weekends then the next few years are going to be pretty well booked out for you.
Maybe you need to remain dogless until the children are off to uni.
If you just want some quiet time to yourself to go walking and stuff, then get a dog that YOU
like, (there are always old dogs available from various rescues, sadly.
You are a responsible adult, you dont have to ask permission if you want a companion animal.
Pick a dog that suits you and your lifestyle. If others in the house are not the ones that are going to be spending the most amount of time and effort on the dog they don't get as much say.
If I listened to the kids, 15 and 16, we'd have all sorts of breeds that I am neither prepared to groom, or exercise or wouldn't fit in with our current dogs.
Just be realistic about what you can offer a breed. And unlike others if you really are not going to work a gundog or a working dog breed but still like them then do go down the road of a show dog.
I have 3 different breeds & my one Gordon Setter (a gun dog) demands more time than all 5 of my Whippets put together. My gordon setter has been to the Pointer and Setter Field trial days and she stood under the gun as good if not better than many of the working pointers and had such a soft mouth that the old blokes were very impressed with her. She comes from champion show lines. What you want first and foremost is a good family dog so look for a good temperament. I've seen just as many "working dogs" with bad temperaments as I've seen show dogs. And remember a lot of it is up to you, temperament is not all genetics.
I will say this as a person who spent a long time around the gun dog ring. The larger gun dogs are slow to mature and are very mouthy. If you are prepared to accommodate that then the HV is a nice dog that will enjoy training.
Sorry I took so long to reply - I had some problems with my computer.
Yes, I believe that it suggested was on the first page actually. But the problem is that I really dislike the look of all poodles and poodle crosses. Plus grooming is harder than a vizsla (a lab isn't really an option any more as I didn't go through with the one I linked mainly because of the EIC problem and I only truly like the field bred labs which are very hard to come across) and they generally aren't as clean - which is really important if I want any chance of letting it live inside. Allergies aren't a big concern any more.
The three of us are pretty much all at uni (not that it takes up as much less time and effort than school than as might think! ) and I'm the only one who plays sport so weekends should be all right.
Remember to keep an eye on adoption websites!! My partner and I spent months and months trying to decide on a breed that we wanted and ended up going to the shelter and falling in love with our two mutts I didn't want a cattle dog - Meika is a cattle dog cross and he didn't want a lab - Molly is a lab cross but they've both fitted in so well and we couldn't imagine life without them
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