all you saying i should just rehome my dogs and im just making excuses, screw you's, so what your suggestions dont work for us and we prefer not to do some of them, doesnt mean there arnt other options out there for us to try. and coming on here was just a waste of time because you only have one suggestion really, to others that i have seen give different suggestions i am/have doing them, and the dogs arnt as bad as the neighbours think they are AND it is because they cant get their kid back to sleep, thats not my problem, thats theirs, my kids never wake up from them barking, and if they do they go back to sleep because they know how to without any troubles, they also dont wake up when the neighbour on the other sides dog barks and thats right outside their window. Plus, ive noticed that the other dog next door and our dogs bark about the same but the other neighbour hasnt had any complaints about their dog, and yes i have been noting everything down to work that out. and to the one saying about toilet training my kids im doing that now with my youngest and yes its annoying having to clean up the mess but just as the dogs i dont give up and i try to think of different things i can do to help improve both my kids toilet training and to try and work out my dogs. and we did get along with our neighbours till a year ago when we asked them to feed our cat for a weekend and when we came back they hadnt done shit for him and then all their shit started and i wanted nothing to do with them so i stopped popping over and kept to ourselves, we didnt have our dogs then. so this will be all i have to say on this site ill get better suggestions somewhere else and to the ones that did give me suggestions that were helpfull and not just saying the same thing as everyone else and only giving me one option when there isnt thank you.