You could email Steve Courtney at K9pro.com.au - he likes GSD. He would know a good breeder in NSW. And if you have any problems training it (or any other dog) he would also be able to help.
Another forum is more appropraite Specialist Canines - Home for this question. There are many working line GSD breeders - you just need to ask the right questions to the right people.
I have been involved in East German Shepherd - ie working line shepherds and can't praise them enough. My dog (deceased a few months ago) was a great guard dog (but not over the top), easy to train, gentle with kids, not an animal chaser (ie chooks or roos) and a wonderful family pet. I asked specifically for this type of dog (or more specifically told them what I wanted him for so they could match me with the right pup) and had to wait for the right one but he was. Von Forell is one of the best breeders around (I think) so check out his website.
When we were look for another dog I had in my mind a Bullmastiff. We went to were they were breeding them and we went there to have a chat about getting one. And we got talking about the son German Shepard and they said that they hate the way this breed is going. They actually called the way they are being bred today as Cockroach Shepard. Which they were totally against and to that they said they would never consider them if they were to change dogs to breed.
I think our sons Shepard is this type of dog and they are wrong as I look at him and think how much stress is being placed on the back leg joints.
You can also sit in the middle..A tervueren Belgian Shepherd. It has a lot of BC characteristics and still has great stock working lines and it also has a very natural protective instinct, but is not as high maintenance as the Malonois Belgian shepherd.
To anyone who does not breeds well it even look like GSDxBC.
GSD have a lot of extra baggage attached, which is not the dogs fault but all about perception just like some of the PBT's.
I have gone to properties with BC's and they also make a good guard dog, like someone said before. Most dogs do.
If you contact the GSD clubs in any are they are very helpful and if you go and look at some you can go and see the person who has the type of dog you like and ask them where it came from. I think that is really the best way to get what you like. See how friendly they are and how good they look.
Pets are forever
thanx every one for your advice it's always great advice will keep you up to date and let you know how it goes
I think you need to be aware that breed standards, ie. posture, size, gait etc have not changed. The 'stand' is a position taught to the dogs. My dog doesnt stand like this. The stand shows a sloped back position, its not the dogs conformation that makes this occur, its a pose. Much like men do not stand with their arms above their heads, flexing their muscles, but body builders stand like this for competitions. Its a position that shows off certain qualities the judges want to see.
I have a working stock GSD. I belong to a GSD club full of show dogs. They come in many shapes and sizes, but all conform to breed standard.
The difference between a working dog and show dog is NOT appearance, its in the temperment. The drives.
Be warned, working lines are not good pets for your average dog owner. They need working, or you will have a dog thats bored, very intellegent, and will be very destructive for entertainment.
I don't want to say that you are wrong here but my son's Shepard has the slopping from the shoulders to the back legs all the time.
And yes he came from a breeder who show them.
So this stance as you are saying, if I am reading this right. Is bred into the dogs.
As I think I put down earlier here breeders of Bullmastiffs who are into showing their dogs call this the Cockroach look. And this is what my sons dog has. Also he has a nice bounce to his walk, which I have to say I like whne he is on the lead walking.
Yes, my dog can stand like this, so it looks like his back is sloping. But that is not how he stands and his back does not slope. Its dead straight.
What im suggesting is the pose show dogs are put in, exagerate this look. Coz somewhere, so idiot thought it looks good.
Personally, im in favour of working show lines as the temperments of many show dogs leave a lot to be desired in my mind.
I am so sorry but I am not on the same page here. Maybe its this early morning thing and the brain isn't working the best.
But you top line has thrown me.
Deisel the sons dog, when he stands it is almost like what you are saying as they are in the show ring. And this is all the time he has the slopping down look.
If you put something flat on his back then put a toy car on it, the car would roll down all the way.
Please correct me just where I am off.
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