No. It's not 12% death.
It's 12% will be born deaf. Not all Dalmatian breeders are with the breed club so not all of that 12% will die.
If they want to use the dogs as lab rats to gain knowledge so they can help other dogs in the future, I suppose that is their choice. But that has nothing to do with ethical breeding.
You told me off before for making a comparison to humans! My argument then being that babies don't get pts when they have a genetic defect and cannot be "homed", while dogs do.
There will always be those who are gung-ho about 'pure genes' but they are a dying breed themselves. The health and welfare of the dogs is at the forefront of the governing bodies objectives.
There is no point adjusting the breed standard to allow patchy dogs because the size of their spots/patches does not have any effect on their deafness....
I wonder how many pups 12% is?
If they managed to reduce the number from 30% to 12% that is a fairly good outcome indeed. And that makes my criticism more aimed at breeders in the past than at current breeders. The way they have achieved this reduction (over god knows how much time?) is still unethical in my eyes though.
Where did the 30% come from????
I agree that it is sad, but I can appreciate why it is necessary. We have enough issues in the dog world without being inundated by deaf, difficult dogs. It's heartbreaking and tragic, but I agree with why it needs to be done.
But you don't know how they have achieved the reduction? How can you disagree with something that you don't have ANY information or details on?
This 12% failure. Does it include those with unilateral deafness?
Or are they considered suitable for sale?
Or are they often not diagnosed until later in life?
... Jade ...
Aha yeah me too! wee wee or pee pee and poo poo's or poopie
Uni's are (apparently) harder to diagnose BUT are not considered suitable for breeding though are rehomeable.
For those who don't know a Unilateral is deaf in one ear.
The 12% is for those completely, irreversably deaf.
It's hard to find stats on this: Heritability and segregation analysis of deafness in U.S. Dalmatians.
I found a table somewhere that said it was more like 12% if only bilateral dogs were bred. So maybe the "improvement" is solely due to more testing being done to exclude unilateral dogs from breeding.
And I thought the 30% was mentioned by someone defending the breeders in this very thread first.
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