bulldog lover you are skating on thin ice.
I was a member for quite a while, I left then returned when I read a few posts where I thought I could contribute and offer opinions from a person who is a registered breeder and shows point of view.
I could let the topic slip and those not involved in breeding or showing would never know the other side of the story.
I don't like it when people think, "how can I" and imply that I mustn't care about my dogs or basically have a heart.
So I told my story from my point of view, which was very nicely explained in a supposed situation by Anne in her last post.
People are entitled to agree to disagree but as a person that this topic was directed at I think I am entitled to a heated debate about it.
People who choose to breed and/or show are not those just limited to an endless supply of money, large acreage etc. Those alone do not make a good breeder.
I am lucky to live in a council that does not have a limit on dogs and I do live semi rural but I'm also a realist, and that's what good breeders are. They are realist and have to make hard decisions.
But that means that heated discussion will come from both sides, and there's nothing wrong with that.
MAC I totally agree with your posts and appreciate reading your thoughts on the topic.
Allie, bulldog_lover has given her opinion over and over again and as soon as I posted asking that it not be dredged up again (not the topic of the thread, but the conflict between myself and cavalierqld) she posted again... within minutes.
As I explained to you in pm Pug I didnt see your reply.
I would also like to add that I did ask this thread to be closed last night because I felt it had got out of hand and was just a mass fight, which is shown because of all the deleted posts.
If I wanted to cause a fight I would have join in instead of asking for it to be closed.
Here are the quotes, in chronological order, that caused me to respond in the manner I did.
Quote 1:Hey Bulldog, Thank you so much for bringing up the topic of "rehoming" dogs, by breeders when they have outlived their usefullness?
Will be interested in the answers.....
I read this and didn't think too much about it although I did notice the tone. It did make me realise immediately however that Cavalier was not in agreement with breeders re-homing their dogs. The tone appeared obvious to me.
Quote 2:Oh, its a business? And how is that in the best interests of the dogs? Is it your practice to rehome your dogs as well pugger?
Again the tone implies that they thought what Pugger allegedly did was 'distasteful' and it the tone was passive aggressive and accusatory. Cav wasn't offering any alternative viewpoint at this stage, she was merely passively aggressively attacking people who agreed that re-homing a dog was accpetable.
By this point I was saying to myself "huh, what? Wow". You'll see me respond and say something like 'whoa there' which was because I felt they were beginning an attack.
There was a post or 2 in between this that were neither here nor there. Then this one where she finally puts her view out there instead of being negative about others.
I am commenting on the practice of rehoming in general. I dont agree with it, I dont feel it is in the best interest of the animals, and that includes horses. My thoughts are that people should only keep what they can manage. Just my personal opinion! I have spent quite a bit of time in the past few days reading the posts here. There sure is a lot of valuable information, but also quite a lot of judgements being handed down to posters by certain breeders. People in glass houses should not throw stones. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and certainly should not be treated with the harshness I have witnessed on some posts on this site, myself included after my initial post.
The bolded part is the part that really threw me. Cav obviously thought we were all breeders and, going by the posts in the another thread she had made, she feels breeders and people who show are beneath her or not nice people.
She was obviously thinking that Pugger was a breeder hence why she responded in the way she did. She was BIASED because she thought most of us were breeders. She was willingly wnating to jump on our thoughts becuase she WORNGLY assumed most ofc us were breeders.
She was passive aggressive. There are no two ways about it!
I agree that some of the responses were then attacking. Some were nasty. This however doesn't absolve Cav of her beligerent attitude either.
Two wrongs certainly do not make a right, but I'll bet my tooshie that Cav will again jump on people about issues she doesn't agree with. For the mean while, she'll lay low and pretend otherwise, but her real thoughts are bubbling away and even though she is keeping them 'moderated' on here, they're there and just not being typed.
As for Cav being a breeder, I have no qualms whatsover to say she has no understanding of what a real breeder is and the Cavalier isn't abreed for amateurs.
A pessimist sees the glass as half empty;
An optimist sees the glass as half full;
A realist just finishes the damn thing and refills it.
I'd like to ask, where do people expect to get good dogs from if not from breeders who immerse themselves in the dog world and have need to re-home from time to time?
I think that's the actual part that gets to me.
It sounds like I should just get myself a couple of OK dogs that pass the health tests and breed them so I can just sell pets to people. And if I sell an OK dog that has passed all it's health tests there is nothing wrong with that person also breeding from that dog.
All I can hope for is that in 20 years time my eye sight will be gone so I can't see what has happened to my beloved breed.
You have to breed from the best to maintain the best as even when you breed the best not all pups produced are worthy to be bred on from. These are where our pet puppies come from and they are nicely and securely de-sexed.
As to the bolded part in the above post, damn right I took it personally and I explained over and over again the necessity to re-home from a breeders perspective. If people cannot understand why it is done then they are looking at genetics and standards and the breed as a whole from a very selfish point of view. We are talking of re-homing dogs, not putting them to sleep. We are looking at finding them the perfect home. I know many people who have taken on an older dog from a breeder, I don't believe they think their dog ever looks back.
Someone asked why and how breeders can re-home and I answered from the perspective of someone that has been there and done that.
Last edited by MAC; 07-15-2011 at 11:04 AM.
gah... last warning for everyone..
stay on topic or the thread gets locked... which will be a shame as it's a topic worth keeping.
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