A pessimist sees the glass as half empty;
An optimist sees the glass as half full;
A realist just finishes the damn thing and refills it.
1: You are the one that brought a "Nelson's hold" into the discussion. I don't know why, but most of what you say makes no sense anyway. Hya was explaining that that is NOT what she was referring to.
2: It has been PROVEN time and time again that dogs who 'turn with no warning' have a mental disorder such as dementia or brain damage or they have a tumor. The vast majority of people do not see nor understand the nuances of canine behaviour.
3: No-one wants you to apologise. No request for apology has been made, so what the hell are you asking that question for?
4: We are NOT SAYING YOUR DOG DID ANYTHING WRONG. I don't know how many times we have to repeat ourselves... We are saying that IF your dog (THEORETICAL SITUATION ONLY NOT YOUR ACTUAL DOG) was attacked by another dog (Your dog on leash, the other dog off leash) and your dog fights back, unless you have given permission for your dog to fight it is NOT UNDER YOUR CONTROL. THIS STATEMENT IS NOT CONDEMMING YOU OR YOUR DOG IN ANY WAY. You are just making yourself look like a complete twit.
5: I don't even know where to begin with this lot of stupidity...
AWL do test the dogs behavior IF AN ADULT DOG prior to rehoming it. It is not a rigid test, it is not a safety test. It does not guarantee that dog in ANY way. Nor does it guarantee that dogs behavior once rehomed. The only special needs dogs I've heard of coming from the AWL have been blind, deaf or golden oldies. No-one made any statement saying they are unsafe or an attacker so how the hell did you come to that assumption?
I have been asked to apologise, and I think you need to stop answering for another individual as you cannot speak for them. It has been implied and now further stated by hyacinth, that it does apply to me. An exclamation mark that was provided next to the text, states this as my dog attacking whilst it was on lead.
Not one of you have been able to come forth with any quotations regarding this. It should have been simple from the beginning..it was members who have complicated this issue of me supporting another user, Goldie in what she was saying and including the moderator puggerup stating it was also a pet peeve of theirs.
There is a fine line between a bit of fun and outright accusations against a dog whom was respected by all who knew her and a poster pet for the awl. This does not make Cheyanne look favourable, and I will continue to defend her honour,.
I am not a twit, something that you people seem to get away with as insults-double standards to say the least. I have sent this on to others who can clearly with any objectivity see what is happening here. I have also sent this on to admin and I am the one asking for an apology for Cheyanne.
I don't care what you think or say of me, but I will not tolerate it toward my dog. I write complex, I get told, keep it simple. I write simple, I get told, you should have said such and such. Which way is it to be? Simple or contextual (that means illustrating the concept). ??????????????????????
There are many users that have posted with regard to their dogs near pulling them over, even aggression, prams, babies and dogs on leads etc etc etc-they do not have the riot act thrown at them, or hypertheticals. Why? Cheyanne acted with no aggro, which has been stated, with no anything when she was on lead being attacked. Then I get, I need to have control on her...you need to truly see this from my point. it is not yourself or your dog under attack. I am not going out of my way to play with everything any of you in any thread write. I expect the same courtesy. That is where my point came in about donating on the AJ comes to Australia thread. newbsie also donated.
I'm with Anne...
There's no point to this thread at all now.
This thread is so damn confusing and full of absolute crap...
OH MY doG
NO ONE SAID YOUR DOG CHEY WAS AGGRESSIVE. FULL STOP END OF STORY.
We used hypothetical situations to discuss the situation you are questioning ie: when is it ok for your on lead dog to react to an off leash dog. No one was saying that is how your dog reacted, they are just saying what they think is appropriate and what is not. Jeez
You don't seem to be grasping anything anyone else is saying and you take everything personally as against you or your dog, this is not the case.
No one is going to apologise when they know they have not been accusing your dog of anything nor have they in any way besmirched her name because no one was talking about your dog. PLEASE re-read what has been said without using your dog as context and you will see we have been supportive of what you are saying with a few differences in opinions along the way.
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