Oh wow CD....
Oh wow CD....
Education not Legislation
Hmmmm - WoW - Hmmm - I see what you are all on about now - Hmmm - WoW - Sorry but i cant say much else.....
Last edited by DogHappy; 03-20-2011 at 08:09 AM.
What a shame
When people want their names and contact details posted on the forum, it's up to them to do it
I have edited out links to ads which have CD's full name and contact details on them as they breach privacy.
I don't think it's a crime to cross breed....I have stated this many times here, as long as it is done responsibly with health tests etc. Though I do have a problem with puppy mills churning out hundreds of the buggers
I do have a problem with people saying things they do which in fact they dont. An example may be that CD says she doesnt give her dog sfancy names, when in fact she does...not saying she does just using that as an example.
CD said she had only bred a few litters over a number of years so I don't really know what the big deal is. She breeds a small crossbred mutt for her family and friends, nothing wrong with that IMO if she is doing the relevant checks and using dogs that compliment each other.
In regards to comments in other threads about dogs being put down at shelters ....I used to work at a shelter in NZ (well vollie) and I witnessed a large number of purebred dogs being PTS also so it's not just cute fluffly mutts. IMO, ANY breeder who pumps out cute babies to make loads of cash and overbreeds their bitches is a mongrel.
I think breeding should be far better regulated than it is for breeders of pure or cross and only certain numbers of litters allowed.
Unfortunately, for as long as there is a disdain and critism of BYB (not the **** ones, but the OK ones) then nothing will improve becuase it all comes across as being a bit self riteous to condem a BYB for dropping a litter or two, yet praising a purebred breeder who to better the breed might put a curve in a dogs spine to get a better tail ro soemthing crap.
Now none of my post makes sense at all. Ive forgotten punctuationa nd I have tried to type a bunch of different thoughts on it all at once an dmixed it all up.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions
yep, wouldnt it be awful if we all thought the exact same thing!!
Boring!! How would I have any fun LOL
Goodness, I have been busy and missed all this drama.
I dont know anything about CD and her breeding practices apart from what she has written so cant comment on them.
I do know some registered ANKC breeders who started out with the right intentions and over the years descended into breeding large numbers for the pet market with no health testing. I got an elbow dysplastic dog with a poor temperament from one of them and I know a lot of similar examples. Complaints to the ANKC from a number of people fell on deaf ears at the time.
I go for working bred versions of my favourite dogs these days, I have no interest in the ANKC versions. I do get them from either breeders who are breeding to a working standard and have their dogs registered with the working dog associations or I look through rescues for what I want.
As to crossbreeds, I dont have any myself but there are some very well respected working breeders who although by and large breed their dogs pure will ocasionally add say a splash of kelpie to a BC if the working characteristics warrant it. The aim is always to produce the best working dog possible.
The purebred working dogs can be registered with working BC or working kelpie council for example. All of them including the mixes can be registered on the general working registers either by pedigree - ie breeding from parents registered on the register or by undergoing a thorough working assessment.
Some do health test but it is not as common due to the fact that the best dogs are usually only bred once they have proved themselves and generally any dog not suitable for hardwork is soon discovered and never bred.
So although I am not a great believer in breeding crossbreds there are situations where I have no problem with it. ie for working or an equally valid reason and this does not include hybrid vigour. I am personally not a great believer in the hybrid vigour thing with dogs. My purebred have been plenty vigourous and healthy and I have met plenty crossbreds suffering from a distinct lack of vigour and health.
I do hate it when people just decide to breed their pet for ridiculous reasons such as believing in various old wives tales, or to try and make money, or because they think their dog is the cutest thing ever, or because they cant be bothered getting it sterilised and then dont keep close watch on it.
I do not class breeding for color a valid reason to cross breed.
CD's reason for breeding Poodle x Maltese was to get a curly coat with Shih Tzu coloring without the undershot mouth.
Parti Colored poodles already exist lovey, no need to cross breed.
Plus the breeds bite does in NO WAY affect the dog, a Shih Tzus bite is known as 'reverse scissor' which means the bottom teeth very close fit over the top teeth... if CD had a problem with undershot mouths then they were using bad breeding stock as Shih Tzus from good lines have good bite... there is no issue with them... I mean a bad mouth is a disqualifiable fault in the show ring so who in their right mind would be breeding from bad stock?
If they said they were breeding them with a different breed to WIDEN the mouths (Shih Tzus can have crowded mouths) I may have bought it, but a poodle mouth is narrow so that would only serve to make the problem worse not better.
I understand the reason for editing out the links, however I would just like to make it known that I did NOT break anyones trust or lie... CD never told me their name or any personal details, it is all there on the internet for anyone to find if you have a brain.
In response to Minibull having a go at me for not leaving my other post up... Did you really want me abusing you on a public forum for supporting a BYB who doesn't health test their dogs and breeds solely on color?
That's the basic message I put out there.
Wow been away for a couple of weeks and look what happens.
Seems some around here are having a case of double standards.
I notice from time to time we get people posting about wanting to breed thier animals be it crossing or just in general and they get thier head bitten off.
Now some are saying its ok for this person because they love dogs, cmon people they are doing nothing more than BYB experiments and at the same time telling others its wrong.
If this person is doing that and having the dogs tested, does this really mean that its right, regardless of the statement "its for family and friends".
What happens when the tests fail, do the lab rats get put down or do they live with thier faults, not saying this is the case just saying what if?
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