Welcome Heidi, I look forward to seeing some pics
Welcome Heidi, I look forward to seeing some pics
welcome Heidi... i am new too, and know how you are probably feeling, but persevering cos i think this site has a lot of knowledge, and support, to offer. i wish you well with your new little dog, and maybe we can both learn things we need to know! i too will have a tiny 'toy' dog soon.
Yeah I did Peter....I also gave her information regarding health issues etc and not just "giving her a flogging and whamming things down her throat!"
I don't doubt the pup will have a lovely home...I never said I did!!! This is not about the families the pups go to...it is about that how the pups were bred and WHY they were bred! If it wasn't for a financial benefit...what could these 2 dogs possibly bring to the doggy society that not 1000's of other crossbreeds already do!
Heidi said yesterday at 3.58pm:
Floyd, we are buying him from a BYB. I have to admit total ignorance, I thought a maltese shihtzu was bred from a malteze and a shihtzu, but apparently no - the parents are both maltese shihtzu.
I'd love that one explained to me :-)
So...to help Heidi with her "ignorance" as she said it herself...I explained the cross breeding part for her...the BYB part for her and why BYB's shouldn't be enabled and supported. If you are breeding UNREGISTERED dogs...you are a BYB and it doesn't matter if she identify them or not...yes, so one glove fits all in this matter. Some registered breeders are BYB too...only breeding for profits and not to improve the chosen breed. We see this over and over again with people breeding blue staffies PURELY for their colour and charging up to $2500 for a puppy! She stated she KNEW she was buying from a BYB!
Anne here in this Forum knows a lot about this stuff. Perhaps she could enlighten Heidi about why she shouldn't buy a puppy from a BYB. Anne is a part of Lobby groups who are trying to stop this...she has also been working with Sydney Mayor Clover Moore to try and get legislation put in place to stop pets being sold in pet shops etc.
By buying a puppy from a BYB...Pet shop etc...YOU ARE enabling this part of the pet industry.
It had NOTHING to do with "puppy will have a lovely home"...IMO...it has everything to do with educating Heidi as to why she shouldn't support it, which I think I did in an informative matter. Sure...I stated MY opinions on this and for sure...I LOATHE pets in pet shops...BYB who breed for profits and with no regard to health, temperament issues (and this includes registered breeders doing this) and breeding mix/designer dogs etc. Not to mention Puppy mills...don't even get me started on that!
There is still freedom of choice despite the passionate beliefs of others, on any subject.
I too would like to see some pics when you have some.
Any posts made under the name of Di_dee1 one can be used by anyone as I do not give a rats.
Unfortunately it is a catch 22 for me DA as since coming on to this forum I have learnt SO MUCH about it among other things!
I have to sell/give away these pups to find them a good home however I have learnt my lesson and would not buy from a BYB (not that I ever have) I would chose to got to a rescue to find a new member of the family.
Like I said catch 22!
Anyway Heidi.......I think you have done research and have made your decision. I hope you enjoy your new family member and you are very welcome here
Thanks Judge - I was confused where you were coming from. *smiles*
However, I do not catogorise you as a BYB. MY choice!
Oh, I think you will do your best.
There is some difference between being informative and being opinionated.
See when you give someone information you are doing so so that they can take this and then make there own decision, certainly not the case in most of the posts made here in fact quite the opposite
You guys have hung, drawn and quartered her for something that you disagree with.
I don't understand how you can openly admit to buying a dog from a BYB
Well why not? Even if its not morally accepted by you or me it is certainly not illegal to do so.
You use the argument of herediatry diseases against buying these dogs and in the next sentence recommend a resuce puppy which can have no guarantees against the same thing?
Sorry to go on but i too are against BYB however i will never put someone down like has been done here just because they dont share my beliefs.
Welcome to the site of very passionate dog lovers! :]
There has been some recent discussion on the sale of dogs in pet shops, back yard breeders, and why so many dogs end up in shelters, pounds etc. The consensus seems to be that irresponsible BYB's and puppy mills are to blame, and that pet shops often support them, The topic is rather emotive and most are frustrated by what can (or rather what can't) be done to fix the problem, and might explain some of the comments you've received.
That said, I thought I would add my two cents worth (which you are welcome to discount to zero if you wish) :]
In my opinion, the difference between a reputable breeder and ANY other breeder (whether registered or not), is that reputable breeders breed to improve the breed. MOST importantly, they do this by health checking their breeding stock to ensure no hereditary diseases are present and being ever mindful that the temperament of their stock must be consistent with the breed standard and refuse to breed with any that are temperamentally unsound.
Buying from a BYB may be cheaper but comes with the possibility of huge costs (both financially and emotionally) if one or more of these diseases and/or bad temperament are subsequently found to be present. In the sad event that this happens, your purchase price might be but a drop in the bucket of what is to come or you may be faced with a heart-breaking decision regarding the future of your new pet.
My wife (Cleasanta) and I both know this from personal past experience and is largely why we feel so strongly about it.
We now have two staffies which we purchased for showing from two different registered breeders.* Unfortunately, our boy turned out to have some nasty skin allergies (one of which is to agapanthus).* This cost us a lot in vet bills and meant we had to rip out over 100 agapanthus plants we had in our back yard!* Once we knew he had allergies, we had him desexed as a lot of allergies are passed on from the parents.* The fact that his breeder has not responded to our emails suggests what is now our view regarding him as a breeder!
The point of this however is that even buying from a registered breeder is no guarantee. Our poor boy is stuck with allergies for the rest of his life which may well have been avoided had the breeding been done responsibly in the first place.
I don't wish to force my opinions on you but merely urge you to consider the whole picture.* BYB's (who don't bother testing for hereditary diseases) should not be supported despite how nice they might be, because they add to the overall problem whether they intend to or not, and may end up costing you personally (both financially and emotionally as stated earlier), not to mention what it costs the poor puppies, who have to live with, or die from, these diseases, some of which are very nasty,!!!
Incidentally, our little girl somehow managed to break her leg which cost us over $1,000 so you might want to consider setting aside a few dollars a week to build up a bit of a vet bill emergency fund (as we now do!).
The decision to buy a pup should be a fun, exciting one, and ultimately will be made mostly on emotion. Even so, it should be taken with careful consideration given that it is (or at least should be) a lifelong decision for the pup.
Regardless of what you decide, I hope your family and your new pup have a wonderful, long, healthy life together :]
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