[QUOTE=k9force;104942]Learned helplessness is a dog in total shut down, in most cases they wont do anything including move...
Hahahaha yeah right! No, you're dead wrong.
Low pack drive???
Dogs that work on trust alone are few and far between, dogs do what works for them, if they dont want your trust as they have low pack drive, they will do nothing for you.
Yes those are my words. Because that particular dog was VERY agro and we needed to get him out from the previous owner. Long story. We didn't work with prong collar with this dog in a future, but it took a long long time til he recovered and became "normal" again. He was happily adopted.
K9: When the dog was so effed up, why didnt you just build trust? Instead you resort to a prong collar and created learned helplessness? (your words not mine).
Against certain methods of training.
K9: That would make you against all training....
Gee you're full of you know what.
K9: It really seems Fedra that you will bag prong collars and their users, until you
deem the dog is screwed up enough for you to use one? Gee how did you become the only person in the world qualified to make these calls...
yadda yadda yadda.... as I already said before, no point talking to you. bye.
You said: -
- Dogs attain a learned helplessness state with a prong collar.
- You train dogs with trust.
- You use a prong collar when the dog is so effed up, there are no other options.
So I take from this, you will train using trust
until it doesnt work, then use something else.
You think that dogs suffer from learned helplessness on a prong collar, but essentially that isnt a concern if you cant get what you want out of a dog...
You say that making a dog do something at a whim is not for you, but you tell us about the dogs you have trained? Why did you train them? to get them to do something? at a whim?
Respect and you shall be respected. Animal is always right.