I think Cleas summed it up very well when she said it wasn't about anyones individual opinions at all, but it is about having an educated opinion.
So the use of training tools is abuse of dogs?I am talking about deliberate abuse of dogs.. the use of barbaric pain inflicting collars on dogs.. how would you react if such an item was used on you personally.. would you not be aggressive & show anger towards those that physically or emotionally hurt you that is what i mean about some dogs being aggressive & attacking their owners or handlers etc etc.. that is what i mean about KARMA..
I have no hesitation in keeping an open mind about all kinds of training tools and methods. I learn everything I can about them before forming an opinion of them. If someone is standing there laying into their dogs with their fists or a stick or whatever then yes that is abuse. But the use of a training tool - when used correctly, can literally mean the difference between life and death. If you could train a behavioral issue out of a dog using one of these tools correctly instead of having the same dog put to sleep would you do it? Or would you kill the dog?