I'm sorry DA. Better to be safe than sorry, especially with kids around.
I'm sorry DA. Better to be safe than sorry, especially with kids around.
It sounds like this boy was a show dog and didn't get a lot of contact aside from ring work insofar as being a pet
I know what your hubby means by watching and it's probably good that this boy is going back - perhaps a service home is the right place for him?
I was wondering if Zed was the only dog at your home at the moment. Now that he's going back to the breeder & you won't have a 4 legged companion for the next little while, you're still going to stay with us, aren't you ?
We had to return our almost 12 month old male Rottweiler after he one morning...out of the blue..."had a go" at our 2 sons and when my husband ran out to help our oldest son...he turned on him.
Like I have said before...you can do training...socialisation and tons of it, but one thing you can not fight or change is their genetic blue print!
It hurts having to return a dog you love. I LOVED Odin and still cry when I think about him. But ultimately it was not safe to keep him. He had to be locked in his crate when people came around...he would have a go at anything that moved when we were walking. Oddly enough...he was very gentle and kind to our cat...strange.
I remember a lady (who owns Rottweilers) telling me at a show we attended with Odin...not to love him too much. I went...excuse me, I am not allowed to love my dog? Unfortunately...she was to be right and I now know what she meant. Odin was bred from top-trained American Schutzhund Rottweilers. He was never to be calm...submissive and just an easy-going guy. He was high-strung...aggressive...dominant etc. He never hurt me, but decided the males in the family were a threat to him. He was suspicious of males in general even though he had be socialised...socialised...socialised with LOTS of obedience training...show training...being shown etc.
You go through the motions. I kept asking myself...what did I do wrong? What didn't I do for this dog? What should I have done different?
I know now I did EVERYTHING possible to give Odin a loving and stable home. I know that I probably didn't assert myself enough to begin with because after all...he was just a cute little baby. I probably did love this dog too much...to the point of him getting away with things when he was little that he shouldn't have (this was mostly because we listened to the breeders because we thought they knew better). I know I didn't follow my head, but my heart when I saw him at 4 weeks old. I know I did a lot more regarding training etc than most people would have done! I wasn't comfortable with the breeders always locking their 4 Rottweilers outside when we came around (including the Mum) and only ever saw Mum around us 1 time when we came to see puppies, but decided to ignore that. I didn't listen to another breeder who told us Odin's Dad had huge dog dominance/aggression issue, because he was nice enough when we met him. I witnessed Odin's Dad cocking his leg on his owner during obedience training and then knew this was a dog with issues!
I have seen many balanced rottweilers, but have also seen many that are not and shouldn't be used for breeding. I know they still use Odin's Mum and Dad for breeding and THAT is what I call irresponsible breeding. I still have a special place in my heart for the Rottweiler, but can honestly say...I do not trust them anymore. I have seen, felt, witnessed too many things to ever wanting another Rottweiler again
When you decide for another puppy...maybe a different breeder? I honestly believe when a dog "snaps"...it was always going to happen...it is just a matter of time. It can be due to a medical problem like hormone imbalance in the brain or simply due to this dog's genetic blue print.
I sincerely hope you will eventually find another dog
I am so sorry DA but I echo the others. Please take heart knowing that you did all you can and have made exactly the right decision for him and your family. Hugs.
All dogs come with an amount of nature and nurture. Nature is what you can't change...it is ingrown behaviours like their pack mentality...genetic blue print and ingrown wolf behaviours etc. Nurture is what we give them. They get it the first 8 weeks from mummy, litter mates and breeder and then they get it from the new owners when they arrive at their home. The nurture is what can be so different in dogs...it all comes down to what people think is the right way of nurturing a dog. Some people believe in having their dogs outside...others inside. Some people believe in "tough love"...others believe that if we just love the dog...everything will be just fine.
We do the best we can and what we think is the best for the dog. But sometimes I think we forget their ARE dogs and not humans. We try to reason in human terms, and forget to see it from a dog's point of view. Cesar Millan has taught me a lot. I know a lot of trainers here in Australia do not believe in Cesar's ways (especially Delta Society trainers). But is makes sense...he makes sense.
Okay, just been on the phone to the breeder. She has called twice this morning and is taking the situation VERY seriously. I cannot fault how she is dealing with all this, so that is great!
She has organised a dog transport company to pick him up TODAY. No, he will CERTAINLY not be rehomed. He will stay with them, and if they themselves can witness (and I do believe they will be watching him like a hawk) this sort of behaviour, she feels it would be best to have him euthanased.
In her opinion he is displaying here with us very 'over-the-top' territorial aggression which is totally intolerable in our society. The only thing that seems a possibility is that...take him away from his usual surroundings and different traits come out, hence her decision he must not be re-homed under ANY circumstances. She is being very responsible for this dog and I respect her for that immensely.
So, as of later today our family shall be dogless, GSD's.
I know it sounds rediculous after 30 odd years of being with this breed, but yes, I'm feeling rather freaked out at the moment. I think I just need that space from him and hopefully before too long I will calm down and get past this.
So Cleasanta, I do understand exactly what you are saying and how you have felt!!!
He is currently outside, which is abnormal for him - the poor dog is probably so damned confused. There is just something with him that doesn't seem right, so I'm not taking one tiny chance at this point. Secondly, he will now sense how I feel a mile away.
Do I purchase a puppy, which is what I've always done prior to this, or do I walk away from them altogether and consider other breeds? I've never really known anything other than German Shepherds.
As with any life change or circumstances it is best to wait a while, assimilate what has happened, remembering in a balanced way your experiences during all those years..Then make a decision. Hugs
I agree with your comment re him being from a show-dog environment Occy. I guess no show-dog breeder would agree with that though.
Apparently he used to be great with other dogs until the semen was taken and he was de-sexed. That's when he first starting showing aggressive dislike towards various dogs.
Odd. I think perhaps show-dogs are not always socialised in the ways that people require them to be when then re-homed into a suburban family pet environment.
Oh, I'm sorry to hear things haven't worked out. I agree with everyone else.....you have done the very best you can and you are dealing with this situation very responsibly
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