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    Sorry for the very long post.

    Ok, so I have a 10 month old GSD in rehabilitation for fear aggression. Child traumatised her at 6 months old, fear now moved onto dogs and passing vehicles (small, large,trucks) since about jan/feb but kid aggression seems to have decreased, so happy on that front.

    I stopped taking Mischa to dog parks when she developed the aggression, but still take her out as many places as I can (cafes etc) so she doesnt lose the social fear.

    Today I decided to take her back to a dog park. My behaviourist who is helping me, said if I decide to go again, walk her on the outside at a safe distance and gradually decrease until she is comfortable. So I walked her on the outside. There was already 2 people there with a husky and a black unknown breed,1 and 2 years old. They thought I was afraid of theirs so I explained my situation. They put the leash on their dogs and suggested I come in and see how it goes. I go in and Mischa actually enjoyed interacting with these 2. Another lady comes with a little Tenterfield terrier. Thought Mischa was going to eat it up but nope. She sniffed but basically ignored it. So far so good, Mischa has been fantastic and Im happy. She knocks over the terriers water bowl so I offer to refill it. Come back and alot more people have now come in with their dogs. I have mine on the whole time because I dont know how Mischa will react. We stand close to the entrance, she is still leashed this whole time. Theres now probably an additional 5/6 dogs that have come in after i did. A swiss white and an Amstaff come rushing up and starts to pick a fight with mischa. Oners come and grab theirs and the lady is profusely apologising and the dogs all go off.

    So we ‘re still there, mischa sitting by my side as I want to observe first before I let her interact with the others. A bunch of them make their way over, a fight breaks out including the Amstaff and swiss white. Then for some reason they decided to puck in mischa and come in for the attack. I honestly thought mischa was going to be hurt terribly. She ended up being fine physically, and mentally I think she was ok because she didnt cower behind me or was shaking or anything. She is quite big but they managed to get her on her back and she couldnt defend herself. I had to let go of her leash.

    My question is, since it is an off leash dog park, should I not have been in there with a fear aggressive dog onleash even though she absolutely did not do anything at any time? I thjnk the owners of the pack that attacked should have put the leash back on after the first time. Or exited the park. Or should I have left at some point.


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    Personally I don't like off leash parks and will never use them. Too many variables and too many dumb people around for me to risk it.

    I think if you are wanting to socialise your dog with other dogs on lead your best option would be attending a dog club/school. I don't think an off leash park is a place for any aggressive dogs whether they're on lead or off. I'm not picking on the fact she's aggressive (I have a dog aggressive dog myself) more the fact that it's such an uncontrolled environment... you might be super careful and do all the right things but it just takes one idiot and their dog to mess that up!

    To be honest I won't even take my friendly dogs to off leash parks... again, just takes one idiot person to let their dog pick fights or bowl other dogs over... not something I'm willing to risk.

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    You’re right and I was umming and aahing about taking her back. She used to be so good with other dogs. When I walk her around my estate now since the incident happened, i have to cross the road when I see other dogs heading towards me. Cars and big trucks are impossible to avoid, i live in a fairly new estate and there are still 2 stages left to be completed, so lots of tradies and trucks carrying soil etc drive past, even the back streets. These are are actually the bigger problem, much worse than dogs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by von1976 View Post
    You’re right and I was umming and aahing about taking her back. She used to be so good with other dogs. When I walk her around my estate now since the incident happened, i have to cross the road when I see other dogs heading towards me. Cars and big trucks are impossible to avoid, i live in a fairly new estate and there are still 2 stages left to be completed, so lots of tradies and trucks carrying soil etc drive past, even the back streets. These are are actually the bigger problem, much worse than dogs.


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    I feel for you, it's tough living with a dog like that My boy is agro towards dogs and reactive towards men. Stick with it and follow your trainers advice, with time you'll get there. She may never be perfect but things can certainly become managable!

    The fact you're getting onto it with training so early is awesome! My boy started having issues at around 11 months but I made the mistake of not really addressing it until he was 2 or 3 years old... The earlier you start changing behaviours the better!

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    Probably the thing that you should have done was to leave after your first happy interactions and when there was a hint of drama starting to unfold. You didn't protect your dog and you are lucky she seemed to handle it. It can be a big mistake to push a dog like this. I once had a fear aggressive dog and that would have set her back months.

    Of course you have a right to be there and even at an off leash dog park people by law are required to have control of their dogs. However make it easy on your dog and just learn the times when there are not too many dogs and people and leave at any hint of unruly behaviour and aggression.

    I am glad she is doing well and you are doing so well with her. I know what it is like to have a fear aggressive dog and many lessons are learnt on the journey.

    My dog was also terrible around cars, trucks etc so I taught her a focused heel and used a clicker and treats and soon I was able to do a really focused heel with her as truck and cars zoomed passed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddogdodge View Post
    I feel for you, it's tough living with a dog like that My boy is agro towards dogs and reactive towards men. Stick with it and follow your trainers advice, with time you'll get there. She may never be perfect but things can certainly become managable!

    The fact you're getting onto it with training so early is awesome! My boy started having issues at around 11 months but I made the mistake of not really addressing it until he was 2 or 3 years old... The earlier you start changing behaviours the better!

    Yeah I did get onto it quick but probably not quick enough. Since she started showing aggressiveness prior to xmas, i went away for 2 weeks and then january was busy for me when I came back so I only organised a behaviourist first week of february. Ideally I would have like to have started straight away, but at least she is showing signs of improvement with children and thats very important to me. Cant muck around when it comes to little people.

    How is your dog going now, how old is he and what breed? Has he improved alot in that time?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalacreek View Post
    Probably the thing that you should have done was to leave after your first happy interactions and when there was a hint of drama starting to unfold. You didn't protect your dog and you are lucky she seemed to handle it. It can be a big mistake to push a dog like this. I once had a fear aggressive dog and that would have set her back months.

    Of course you have a right to be there and even at an off leash dog park people by law are required to have control of their dogs. However make it easy on your dog and just learn the times when there are not too many dogs and people and leave at any hint of unruly behaviour and aggression.

    I am glad she is doing well and you are doing so well with her. I know what it is like to have a fear aggressive dog and many lessons are learnt on the journey.

    My dog was also terrible around cars, trucks etc so I taught her a focused heel and used a clicker and treats and soon I was able to do a really focused heel with her as truck and cars zoomed passed.
    Absolutely yes. In hindsight I should have left at the first sign of trouble and I was thinking about this last night. I have been beating myself up over it because I thought the same thing, that I didnt protect her enough.

    Strangely enough, I managed to get video footage of what was happening and at the time I didnt know. I was filming the interactions between my dog and the other dogs she was getting along with for about 5 minutes. When I went to get more water, I thought I hit the stop recording button, so I put my phone in my pocket. The camera was facing outside so even though it was jerky movements, it got everything for the next 30 something minutes. It automatically stopped when I was at the shops. So discovering this, I watched the whole thing last night and thats when I realised the time I should have left. It all just happened so quickly. Its just not fair that irresponsible owners continue to let their dogs menace others and the responsible ones get punished.




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    Quote Originally Posted by von1976 View Post
    Yeah I did get onto it quick but probably not quick enough. Since she started showing aggressiveness prior to xmas, i went away for 2 weeks and then january was busy for me when I came back so I only organised a behaviourist first week of february. Ideally I would have like to have started straight away, but at least she is showing signs of improvement with children and thats very important to me. Cant muck around when it comes to little people.

    How is your dog going now, how old is he and what breed? Has he improved alot in that time?


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    My dog is nearly 8 years old now and an Australian Shepherd, Koda. He's doing ok now, not perfect but ok. His issues are not fear related at all so he's a bit of a different situation. He will never be a social dog, he will never really enjoy hanging out with other dogs... I accepted that years ago. We have however got to the point we can walk past dogs on the street without a massive meltdown and I can take him to work with me where there are other dogs on tables and in cages and he's ok to just sit there and observe without screaming the building down. I even got him to the point where I could safely (slowly) introduce a puppy to our life... they now get along fabulously but it took a month or so before I felt safe leaving them loose together.

    I'll be honest, I live on 30 acres and I noticed that Koda seems to enjoy walking and getting his exercise at home on the farm where there aren't any other dogs or people more than walking and training in public. He's happier to stay at home so that is what we do and he is much more relaxed and happy because of it. So I haven't taken him out and done any formal training with him for quite a long time.

    When I do take him out though, he wears a muzzle and a vest that says "Please give me space" because people are idiots and let their off leash dogs run up to him which just causes ALL kinds of problems!

    I find it interesting I've always said Koda's issues started at 11 months because that is when he first had a go at another dog... But... Since I've had my puppy (Finn, now 2 years old) I've learned that Koda's whole nature right from day one was indicating issues. Finn has shown me what a naturally confident and relaxed dog really is... and Koda was never that, not ever... he was high strung right from day 1!

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddogdodge View Post
    My dog is nearly 8 years old now and an Australian Shepherd, Koda. He's doing ok now, not perfect but ok. His issues are not fear related at all so he's a bit of a different situation. He will never be a social dog, he will never really enjoy hanging out with other dogs... I accepted that years ago. We have however got to the point we can walk past dogs on the street without a massive meltdown and I can take him to work with me where there are other dogs on tables and in cages and he's ok to just sit there and observe without screaming the building down. I even got him to the point where I could safely (slowly) introduce a puppy to our life... they now get along fabulously but it took a month or so before I felt safe leaving them loose together.

    I'll be honest, I live on 30 acres and I noticed that Koda seems to enjoy walking and getting his exercise at home on the farm where there aren't any other dogs or people more than walking and training in public. He's happier to stay at home so that is what we do and he is much more relaxed and happy because of it. So I haven't taken him out and done any formal training with him for quite a long time.

    When I do take him out though, he wears a muzzle and a vest that says "Please give me space" because people are idiots and let their off leash dogs run up to him which just causes ALL kinds of problems!

    I find it interesting I've always said Koda's issues started at 11 months because that is when he first had a go at another dog... But... Since I've had my puppy (Finn, now 2 years old) I've learned that Koda's whole nature right from day one was indicating issues. Finn has shown me what a naturally confident and relaxed dog really is... and Koda was never that, not ever... he was high strung right from day 1!

    I would be very happy to get to the point where Koda is now, ie Where she can also sit and learn to ignore other dogs too without having to necessarily interact.
    My brother has a dog friendly cafe in brisbane, im on the gold coast. I used to bring mischa there often on weekends, and now i havent been back there since january because it would just be a frenzy, because their cafe is always full of dogs all day. In contrast, the dog friendly cafes here on the coast, you’d be lucky to see 1 or 2 dogs so im here more often.

    I can understand what you’re saying about Koda from day 1 too, and in hindsight I think Mischa was similar but more in the dominant sense. She was always one of those pups that when she wanted to play she was very pushy about it. Before I brought her home at 8 weeks old, I was petsitting a 5 month old GSD Bailey for 6 weeks, but only 3 days a week. In the fourth week when I brought mischa home, she was already being bossy towards Bailey even from inside her crate.

    I was planning on getting a male pup next year from my same breeder. She did warn me, which I already knew, that she wouldnt sell me another until I had mischas problems under control. More incentive to not give up and try extra hard!


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    I dont do off leash parks unless i have a client who uses them and i don't suggest off leash park...... only if i could pick my dogs to go in with would I have fun. They are too unpredictable. If i had my way i would make two rules..... No toys in an off leash park and no kids.... the socialising and the sniffing and being in a new place should be enough for dogs. So many fights are started in an off leash park over property... be it ball, toy or stick. And well kids, We, if we go to the dog park, should be able to relax and kids in the dog park are not a safe part of that.

    I also use the outside of parks for training with some dogs. but i prefer to pick my off leash dogs. We go quite often with a pack of dogs water training and in the end they all go off leash and run around. tired but ready for play after work.

    Be very careful in off leash dog parks with fear aggressive dogs..... they never get over the fear aggression, you just need and learn to manage it. Sound like you are managing it, well done to you and your trainer
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