Ok, at the risk of getting stoned for animal cruelty.... I must respond to this thread.
I own 3 dogs, a labby x girl (Molly) who came from a shelter, and was abandoned because her owners were getting divorced. A lab x maremma boy (Jack) who we got at 15 weeks old, he is just over 1 now, and he was the most mellow and lazy pup I have ever met. Then there is Mia, she is a pure bred GSD, and is currently 12 weeks old.
I had never used a crate before getting Mia.
I have grown up with GSD's, we had 2, mother and daughter, we got Gretchen (mum) when I was about 4, and Shiraz was out of her second and last litter. We lost them both in 1997, when Gretchen was 14 and we lost her to bloat, and Shiraz was 11 or so, and she got cancer. My whole life, they slept on beds on each side of my parents bed. They were inside when we weren't home, from the time that Dad had Gretchen with him, Shiraz was only young and got beaten up with a bit of 4x2 wood (our next door neighbour saw the bloke do it) when she started barking at him when he tried to break into our house.
I have never owned a "farm" dog (Kelpie, Border Collie, Healer etc), but Gretchen was a working dog for many years. My dad ran his own security business, and she was his dog. She was with him on every job he went out on, and saved his life a few times. As soon as they got home and dad took his uniform off, she was my mate again. We have pictures of me dressing her up in a pink tu-tu.
Anyway.... Molly learnt the rules very quickly (toilet training, not to chew up everything in sight etc), so she slept beside our bed on her bed from night number 1 of us bringing her home. Jack slept in our bathroom on the first night, and from there he slept with Molly, we have NEVER had a toilet accident in the house with him.
My dogs have the best of the best in whatever I can provide for them. I have the best toys I can find, some of which I have even purchased from the USA, because I couldn't find them here. I feed them on a high quality food, they go to a dog swimming pool every week, so Jack can build up the muscles in his back end, to reduce the issues he's likely to have in his older years. When we go on our end of year holiday, we go to a camping place where we can take our dogs with us, that is custom built for that purpose, massive off leash runs, day kennels if you need them, hydrobath, a swimming hole that the dogs are allowed in etc. They MUST sleep inside with you, it doesn't matter if you're in a tent or one of their cabins.
My point thus far is I don't believe anyone has the right to tell me I am cruel, or a bad dog owner.
Mia is a little different. She has a lot of drive, is very stubborn, and wants into everything. She sleeps in her crate. I tell her "In your crate" and she goes in there herself. She has her bed, some toys and often a pigs ear or such when she is in there, given that she goes in herself, she obviously has no issue with being in there.
I don't have an outside job, I am home pretty much all the time. If I do have to go out for an hour or so, she goes into her crate. I can go out to do whatever I have to, and know she is safe. She can't break out of the yard and get hit by a car, she can't get into someone else's yard and get attacked by their dogs, she cannot get stolen. She can't get one of the cupboards open and knock glassware or something out and cut herself, she cant chew on electrical cables, or get into any cleaning products etc and poison herself. I KNOW SHE IS SAFE.
As for the "they cant stretch out part" I got her a 42 inch crate, she weighs in at about 9-10kg at the moment. She has more than enough room.
As for the Great Dane part, my best friend has 2 of them. The girls are just over a year old, and they also have crates.
Please guys, before you have used them, or fully researched them, don't knock them.
I am NOT a bad pet owner, I do not neglect or mistreat my animals. I will not appologise for crate training Mia, for making sure she is safe, for having Molly and Jack sleep beside (and sometimes on) my bed, or anything else.
I would never leave my dogs outside for more than a few hours, in my mind, making them sleep out in the weather, is more cruel.
BUT... everyone IS entitled to their own oppinion. Don't flame someone for something you haven't tried.
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A crate can be a great tool- in the right hands and used not overused.
Keeping your pup safe is not cruel.
Like i said, i used a hutch to provide Lola with a safe spot at night. I'd never used one before. She was covered in fleas, worms, very shy and nervous and the hutch ended up being the perfect tool. I only needed it for 2-3 weeks. Once she got treated for fleas etc, started to settle in, got comfortable around Misi, learned her name and started to respond to commands, the hutch was gone. All I had to do is say 'good night Lola" and she'd go straight to her doggy bed that replaced the hutch.
I havn't used one since, as I don't have the need anymore. I work from home now so I can keep an eye on them and when I go out they wait by the door to go with me ( as they often do) but when I say 'you're not coming' they both jump on their sofa- they go to sleep and If i'm gone for longer they play with their toys.
They also have a doggy bed between the back of the sofa and the wall (very private) and that's used if one of them's not feeling well or doesn't want to be bugged or if we have vistors.
I don't think any of the above is cruel.
I'd never keep my dogs outside but have friends that do and I don't think it's cruel, it's just not my cup of tea. I have friends that keep their dog outside and I think it is cruel. The dog is very young and not the sort of breed you keep outside. Should be a lap dog.
I work from a huge family room/studio big french doors leaading to the backyard. Alot of the times I have the door wide open even in winter, the dogs can go out whenever they want. Oh, and Lola is a working breed x. She's never outside doing her own thing. She has the choice, but chooses to be right next to me. Yes she needs more play-time then Misi and she does. Whether it's her breed or because she's young or both. They're both happy dogs. And they're not my babies either. They're dearly loved, well cared for part of the family and better company than alot of people.
I know for a fact none of my dogs would enjoy being in a crate. And I would never put them in one in the first place. I know people are saying it's good if they are just sleeping in their crate etc, but having my dogs sleep in a closed in, insulated and protected cubby house, keeps me happy, and they love it.
I know for a fact my dogs go potty in the middle of the night, because I clear the yard before nightfall, and it's all pooped up again the next morning. If they were stuck in a crate, they would be making a huge mess of it and would have to sleep in their own mess during the night, which, in my opinion, is cruel.
My dogs also alert us to anything during the night by barking and jumping up at the fence to make it clang and all the rest of it. They have even alerted us to intruders before. If they were in a crate, they wouldn't have been able to do that, and we would have been mugged.
Now these are just my opinions, and you can bash them if you want, but whats the point in argueing? Everyone is going to stick to their own stories.
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Ok, I'll try to reply to all those statements.
Lady doesnt want to be inside, maybe if she did, it would be a different story, she sits at the door until shes let out. I said most dogs serve a purpose because i wasnt entirely sure and i thought someone would probly pick it too bits until they found something wrong with it.
I never said a crate was cruel, Im pretty sure I just said I would prefer my dogs to be able to move around than to not, and if you want to use one, i have NO problem with it, its just not for me or my current dogs. Seriously, im sure if I was in that position, maybe I would use one. But im not flaming anyone until people flame me.
Lady has a cosy kennel, filled with blankets and pillows, thats her safe place, its not 'out in the weather' if it had a door would that make you happy?
I tried to end it early in the thread by saying 'i agree to disagree' but Occy kept pursuing and I found some things she said offensive so it was a first reaction to defend myself.
None of you own a dog that actually works, if you did, you would know what I mean.
Roly lives inside, he is an inside dog and he has his reasons too, every single reason for your dogs being inside, is probly why Rolys inside too.
I can see it from both views.
If I was putting my JRT outside, bash me all you like, but im not.
Occy, you dont need to knock my profession, i'd like to see your vet do what he/she does without one.
Im ready to drop this, im really over it.
I dont think that anyone was bashing you most people said each to their own its a touchy subject just like child raising ................each to their own as long as there is no abuse involved but as we have seen previosly peoples ideas of abuse differ too sooo.......
ps Choppa??? Billy???? anyone??
My dog has to stay outside because my parents say so (I try to often sneak him inside at night though ). This will change when I can get my own place.
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