If you keep the woolly coated on those breeds clipped fairly short and even (no need to get a lion cut with pom poms on a poodle), their coats are pretty easy to manage - so then it's just a trip to the groomers every 6 weeks or so or learning to clip them yourself. You can use scissors if the clippers are too scary. Bedlingtons would have the same issue. Though I know of two that live on a small hobby farm and they stay pretty clean without any effort on the owner's part.
So the downside of sight hounds (greyhounds, whippets, Italian greyhounds, saluki, afghans etc) is that they are hard to train to come when called and some like to chase cats or any fluffy critter that will run. But this can be overcome if you put the effort in and limit the opportunites to stuff up for the first three months or so.
One of my fave Chihuahua like dogs (you could consider getting another of these), is a papillon. they're a little bit hairy but they have fantastic personalities and enthusiasm for life. You might also like Basenji
miniature pinchers and Manchester terriers - look almost the same but have very different personalities and were bred for different purposes.
Reason to avoid gum tree - most of the people there are just bypassing the pet shop - the reason you avoid them is the same reason you avoid the pet shop puppies. they're often a front for a puppy mill and will say all sorts of things to suck you in eg "last one left of the litter". Most of them are from parents that have not been tested for genetic problems, and the person selling them disappears after you buy so you get zero after sales support. A breeder who cares about their puppies will be asking you lots of questions about what kind of home you are offering, and will care a lot about how it's going with the puppy and can help you sort any problems with health and training that you might have.
You should get to meet the parent dogs of the litter too. If someone is offering puppies for sale and you can't meet both parents or at least the mother of the puppies - then it's certainly a puppy mill front and you may buy long term behavioural problems and health problems with one of those puppies. And don't buy any sob stories about the bitch being killed in a car accident either. It's all been used before to suck people into buying cute puppies from irresponsible breeders.
"registered breeder" on a gum tree ad often means "registered with the local council", you want an ANKC registered breeder. Pure bred - does not mean "pedigree" and if it's not on a breed register like ANKC (and that's not the only one when it comes to some working dog breeds), then you've got very little guarantee the breed is what the seller says it is. It could be anything. And with random cross breeding - you can get the worst of both parents as much as the best of both parents. Beware of that especially when looking for low allergy dogs - though I don't think you're going to get that unless you get a pedigree woolly coat dog. And you've ruled that out because of coat care.
fortunately there aren't a lot of puppy mill farmers into making lots of Italian greyhounds...
I will give you a link to the biggest list of pedigree breeders I know - to help you. They're not all perfect but it's a good place to start. Bear in mind if you do decide to go this way - it can take up to a year to get the right puppy from the right breeder. A puppy that is ready to go right now - means something went wrong and some buyer piked for some reason. It takes up to six months for the bitch to come in season, and then about 3 months for the puppies to gestate and then another 8 weeks minimum before you can take the puppies home - but hopefully - if you have been chosen by the breeder for one of their puppies - you would get to meet them before that. The breeder will have first choice of which puppy they want and then after that - they and you come to some agreement on which puppy will suit your home best. You need to be open minded about this tho most breeders want you to be happy with the puppy choices available to you.
If you go to the dog shows - you will be likely to meet both parent dogs of any litter choice there, and the breeders... and find out what they're like. And also what the going rate is.
This is the link. Unfortunately they're not sorted by state - which is rather irritating - but you get the idea. Be a little bit more cautious about the ones who have puppies for sale now. You want to ask some extra questions like why they have extra puppies, how many dogs they have all together (think about how many dogs one family can look after and what kind of life they have) and whether you can meet the parents, and whether they are holding any puppies for themselves (good thing really) or they're all available (eek - only breeding to sell???).
Dogz Online - The Pure Breed Dogs of Australia
It's not the end of the world if the puppy doesn't come from the perfect breeder or you don't meet the dad dog - if you can make a list of what you want and get about 80% of that checked off and get all the must haves - you're doing well.
There are some mandatory things that breeders must do in NSW, Vic and Queensland - which include micro chipping the puppy and keeping it until it is at least 8 weeks old (important for puppy immune systems and doggy manners).
A pedigree puppy may be around the $1000 to $1500 - that's the minimum for doing all the vet checks and dna testing and etc. Some of the more common breeds may be less - but that might mean that the owner/breeder is wearing more of the cost. Be very cautious of puppies up over the $2000 mark - there needs to be a better reason than a "rare colour" for this to happen. And rare colours are often excluded from breed standards for health reasons... so you probably don't want to go here. Some breeds are very popular and relatively uncommon - like Nova Scotia Duck Tolling retrievers - and they can be a bit more expensive. Ideally price won't be the first thing that comes up - you want to make sure the breed and the breeder are good candidates for you - otherwise you don't need to ask and it's often considered rude.
And quite a few breeders are technophobes... not very good with email or websites - so if you send an email and don't get a reply (give it a week) - it may pay to phone as well - and just check that they got the email and let them know why you chose them and their breed. This is another reason why I think face to face meetings with the breeders are important.
Thank you for explaining it jadielee87, I won't get my dog from gumtree or the trading post.
As for your comment on rescue dogs, I am waaayyyy ahead of you! =) I've been looking into as many rescue organizations online within my area as possible (both of my cats were rescues, and I always think it's better to get a needy pet rather than a specially bred one), but so far haven't found any appropriate dogs or puppies (I'm willing to get an adult dog as long as they are cat friendly and their personality fits what I'm after).
That rescue website you suggest was really helpful thank you! I don't think I came across that one on my many searches, so the more websites I have to look into, the better! =)
Anyway, once again thanks! =)
Thank you Hyacinth for your in depth explanation and for telling me what to be aware of! =)
I really appreciate the website you gave me, and I don't mind the fact that it will take some time for me to get my puppy from a breeder (actually it's a good thing, as my house isn't ready for a dog yet and with my family's schedule it could take awhile before it is even close to being so! - That's why I'm using this time to do some thorough research).
I'll look into into both the papillion, basenji and manchester terrier breeds that you suggested, and I'll take what you said into consideration about the sight hounds (chasing cats and furry creatures, and being difficult get them to answer to their names).
Oh, and thank you for giving me a rough estimate on prices... originally the most I wanted to spend was $800 (though my "I really love this dog I have to have it!" limit was $1000), but considering that I don't want to get my dog off of gumtree (or similar places) and that I have this extra time to save up, I'll let $1000 be my preferred limit and $1500 be my "I really love this dog I have to have it!" limit.)
Maddogdodge thank you for letting me know that greyhounds can be kept with cats, and I'll certainly do some more looking around and question asking before I rule them completely out! =)
Good luck Rhapsody.. Very happy to see you doing your homework.
I'm starting to reconsider my thoughts on long-haired dogs... at first I was all "No, no, no. - I want the lowest maintenance dog I can find (because when I used to have my dogs as a kid, they used to hate being brushed... but I'm thinking that is because they were short haired, so they didn't need to get it done daily) that also fits into all of my other criterias", whereas now I'm thinking that because the long-haired dogs need brushing daily they'll get quite used to it and (hopefully) quite enjoy having it done.
And I also like how Hyacinth said that I can get their fur clipped short and even learn to do it myself (though if I did end up deciding to do it myself, I'd only give it a go after I had taken them to the groomers a couple of times so that I could watch what they were doing and how, and so that my dog would also get used to the experience).
So basically I'm going to go back and have a look at all of the long-haired breeds that I originally said no to, and give them another consideration! =)
I've already fallen more than a bit in love with the miniature schnauzer, and I look forward to researching and comparing the other breeds as well! =D
Thanks once again everyone for your advice and suggestions... even the smallest comment is making me have a good think about what it is I really want in my pet, and not just my original "Yes. No." thought process! =)
Does anyone know how long a toy poodle and bichon frise needs to be walked daily? - I've tried looking on different websites, but the only answer seems to be "a long brisk walk", which if you think about it can pretty much mean anything! >_>
I would prefer to only walk my dog once a day for around 30 mins (min) to 60 minutes (max), and then if me and/or my dog felt like it, maybe again later for a second time, for probably the same amount of time. - What would be the minimum amount of time these breeds need to be walked, and what would be an ideal time frame? And how long each day would you need to play with them?... I only ask, as I wouldn't want to under exercise them thinking that a good walk or a good play would cover everything. (Yes, I know you're meant to walk them daily anyway, I'm just being hypothetical!)
Also I've heard that poodles can be "self-centered" and "snobby", but I was wondering if this is actually accurate or a myth circulated by ill-educated people? - On the websites I've looked on they've only briefly mentioned that they are "self-aware", but again that can mean anything... And I was also wondering if it is the same for the bichons as well?
I'm after a dog that is more into worshiping the ground their loved ones walk on, rather than a dog that is affectionate but "snobby" (I already have cats, I don't need anymore of that type of behaviour, lol! ;-))
Oh and another thing my dad says that I'm definitely only allowed to get one dog, but I've been reading that both the poodle and the bichon can suffer from separation anxiety, and I was wondering if the company of my cats would be enough? - One of them is the laziest little blob you've ever met in your life, and the other is a hyper little maniac (lol! =))... but she's also VERY timid! (She was obviously abused before I got her from my local shelter. =()... I'm suspecting that it will take awhile for her to get used to my dog so I'm trying to factor all of this in, in terms of available friends when I have to go out.
Anyway I'm currently home most of the time, but this isn't always going to be the case and I plan to eventually follow a normal working hours (not including the times I go out, which won't be incredibly often (at most once or twice a week), as I'm a real home-bod! =P... In saying that though, when I go out I'm usually out really late!), and I'm wondering if this will be okay for either of these breeds?
I'm also considering cavalier king charles spaniels, and I was wondering how active they are? - I've read that they are active, but that they are also suitable for older people... so I guess what I'm asking, is would you consider them to be more of a lapdog to a playful dog, 50/50 or visa-versa? - I'd love a playful dog, but I don't want one that is non-stop! I'm after a playful lapdog, if you know what I mean.
Oh, and the same question as I asked with whether or not my cats would be enough company for my dog when I'm out for a long time?
And another thought, I'm reading a lot about how the cavalier needs to have the fur in between it's pads trimmed regularly, and I was wondering if scissors were okay or if they needed to be clipped with those special shears?
Lastly, are cavaliers easy to housetrain?... I've been reading different reports here and there, so I'm getting a bit confused. I know that they are generally easy to train, but some sights are saying that actually housetraining them can be a little difficult.
Actually this should be the last question (sorry if I'm being a pain, I just want to make sure I have my facts straight. Also like I said earlier, it can be hard to find online); do the cavaliers get tear stains around their eyes?
Thanks for any and all help, and sorry once again for all the questions! =)
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