Have you noticed how many people are coming out and supporting you?
No, I haven't seen anyone supporting you much either.
That is not because no one gets what you are saying; it is because everyone gets what you are saying and thinks you are full of it.
I tried reconciling with you but you would prefer to go down your chosen path. Your posts about me are at least equal in vitriol to any of my posts about you and are probably more so. A case of the pot calling the kettle black, don't you think?
The APBT is the best of the best dogs (but it is just a dog, like any other breed of dog)
My avatar? It's a pit bull in a poodle suit (a bit like me really)
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, it doesn't matter if they can back it up or not, it's still an opinion and nobody should be called an embarrassment or told to leave because of it. Wether you agree with Mosh's opinion or not, you should still respect them for having the courage to voice it.
I may not agree with everything Mosh has said, but they do make some very good points.
I agree with KM. I want this forum to be a place where we can have an open and honest discussion. It should not be a dictatorship where views are censured to match the majority's.
I found some of the questions that Mosh was bringing into the discussion interesting. I might not have agreed with all of his answers and I might not have been convinced by the sources he quoted. But there was an opportunity to have a constructive debate about it and try back up opposing views with better evidence.
Up until it turned into embarrassing name calling that made me cringe.
Even though I know that Mosh and I have different views on a number of things, I have found nothing he wrote extreme or shocking. But some here haven't even wanted to make the effort to try and understand exactly what this difference in opinion is about and what his views are.
I think that is a shame not only because it brings down the reputation of the forum, but also because I was hoping to learn something from this discussion. And I hadn't expected that to be "Don't get into a discussion with an APBT fan".
Last edited by Beloz; 12-21-2012 at 06:39 AM.
I've removed the name calling etc from the comments.
There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.
I too am reading but was pretty flabbagasted;-
scene 1 My child was walking down the street when a dog came out of nowhere and it killed my child. (Chi)
Scene 2 My child was walking down the street when a dog came out of nowhere and it killed my child.(large breed.)
The situation is the same and so the punishment should be the same no matter what breed it was.
However the media wants to sensationalise it is up to them.
The way other people wish to argue regarding breed it is up to them.
My child was walking down the street when a dog came out of nowhere and it killed my child.
Last edited by Di_dee1; 12-21-2012 at 09:38 AM.
Any posts made under the name of Di_dee1 one can be used by anyone as I do not give a rats.
i think mosh is trolling........ good job of it too........ that role usually goes to me...... i pass the baton to you
I think it's a bit similar to comparing riding a push bike to driving a car. We allow people to ride a push bike without a license because the chance that they will kill someone if they act recklessly is so minute. But not impossible. People driving a car need a license, obtained by passing a test, because it is easy to kill someone with a car, especially if you drive like a complete idiot. And if a driver would ever kill someone without having a current driver license they would be in big doo-doo. The bike rider probably less so, even if he was at fault.
That comparison makes sense to me. And it matches my opinion that dog ownership should be licensed. And I would like to extend that to ALL dog owners, for the sake of the dogs mainly. But if the powers that be would bring in a licensing system only for dogs who have the most potential to do damage - eg based on size - to reduce the risk of serious dog bite incidents, I could support that.
I feel sorry for the SWF from the old lady down the street, that gets picked up whenever there's another dog in sight because he's so aggressive. But would I want to deny her the company of her dog because she is clearly an idiot who knows nothing at all about dogs? Not necessarily. I'd like her to be educated on the topic so she can give her dog a better life. Would I think differently about that if this same clueless lady was out walking a GSD or Rotti or Husky? Yes, I would. I would think that was an accident waiting to happen and that someone should take this dog away from her and rehome it with someone more responsible and capable of reducing the risk of it getting itself into trouble.
You can argue all you like that little dogs biting are just as evil as their bigger cousins biting. I don't buy it. I have seen tiny dogs bite bigger dogs and humans and they didn't even manage to pierce their skin. In case of the dog biting the human, it got kicked away and that was the end of it.
No, it's not acceptable. But it is at most annoying, not dangerous. And if the little dog gets hurt after a retaliation to them biting or trying to, then their owner should get blamed for letting them start a fight.
I think we ALL agree that irresponsible dog owners should get a kick up the butt. But I do think that if you're going to be a total arsehole to your dog, it's better for everyone around you if it's something with tiny teeth that you can crush with your foot if need be.
Not sure where that all came from, but that is what I believe.
and what about the poor owner of big dog who kills little yap yap fluff ball because little yap yap fluff ball attacked big dog and big dog gets blamed and pts???
What needs to happen is every dog owner needs to be held responsible for their dogs actions and they need to know they will be held responsible, whether its some little yap yap fluff ball or a big evil pitbull.
The idea that some breeds of dogs are safe is exactly how we ended up with BSL, and that's why we continue to see attacks from dogs like labradors, cause stupid owners think their breed of dog is safe and don't see the need to be a responsible owner.
I mentioned the scenario you describe and that the small dog owner would be at fault. Just like the cyclist riding in the middle of the road puts himself at risk of getting mowed down by a car.
I never said anything about certain breeds, so I do not know why you compare it to BSL. I am talking about size. I am opposed to BSL because it is based on absolutely nothing and does not work. Though surely you could admit that if you ban all dogs other than ankle biters, the serious bite injury rate would plummet dramatically? I AM NOT suggesting we do this!
BSL is based on the false belief that those breeds have a tendency to be aggressive to humans. I don't think anyone participating in this discussion shares this belief.
The rest of the discussion is about dog aggression. And that is where the opinions seem to differ. There is a. the question of whether or not APBT are more prone to being dog aggressive, b. if they are, is this mainly caused because they attract more irresponsible owners than other breeds and c. if they show a tendency to be dog aggressive regardless of how they are raised or compared to other dogs raised in similar conditions, does it justify banning the breed.
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