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    I know when we have pups, I normally offer certain pups to certain owners, based upon trying to make the best match. Certain pups in a litter will be spoken for already, so visiting to choose a pup is not always productive - you might fall for a pup that's not available and/or not necessarily of a temperament that suits you. People can also fall for pups that they like based on colour or markings (not really such an issue with labs!) which isn't always the best way of matching them either.

    Also, if you go to visit just once, some pups may be more sleepy etc and not seem so interesting. Only the breeder knows their personalities inside and out. If you do decide to visit, you probably need to do so a few times, at different times of the day etc which can be very difficult for a breeder busy with pups etc.

    The only thing for me that raises alarm bells with your purchase is that you are getting pedigrees for each parent? For the price you are being asked to pay, you should be getting ANKC registration papers for your pup, not just the parents. You should also, like Hyacinth has said, be getting hip score results for both parents, and any other health tests relevant to Labradors.

    If you're not sure on what you should be paying for, contact your relevant State canine body and ask, they are normally more than helpful. You can find contact details here: Australian National Kennel Council

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    heres an email i received from a breeder

    I may have one little girl left..I am so happy with this litter, the bloodlines are impeccable, and the temperaments of both mum and dad are beautiful.

    Henna had twelve puppies, six girls, and six boys….we lost a little girl within the first 24 hours of birth, as she was very tiny and weak. The rest of the litter are thriving ,healthy and very content.

    The price of these are $1,800 on limited register, and $2,500 on full register.

    Let me know if you would like me to hold a little girl for you.

    Kindest Regards.
    Does that seem like alot of money?? dont get me wrong im happy to pay this to ensure im getting her from a ethical breeder and that shes heathy and happy but i dont wanna get taken advantage of either.
    heeeeeelp
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    Hi Elle

    We paid $750 for each of our two Cardigan Welsh Corgi puppies and would have only had to pay $800 for them to be fully registered for showing and/or breeding purposes. This was from a reputable, licensed, champion breeder. I don't know how much Labradors go for $1,800-$2,500 sounds a lot to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fosandebo View Post
    Hi Elle

    We paid $750 for each of our two Cardigan Welsh Corgi puppies and would have only had to pay $800 for them to be fully registered for showing and/or breeding purposes. This was from a reputable, licensed, champion breeder. I don't know how much Labradors go for $1,800-$2,500 sounds a lot to me.
    yes i was kinda shocked when i saw the price too..i payed $800 for josie my yellow lab on limited register..i was expecting to pay max $1200...perhaps not
    lol

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    That does seem a big difference. But sometimes that may mean the difference between a quality pet and a show/breeding potential pup.

    Prices vary from breed to breed, and within breed based on quality. First litter or not if the quality is great and the bloodlines healthy and sought after the price may be more.

    If you are after a quality pup, the full register price shouldn't worry you. But I still think the limited reg price of $1800 sounds pretty steep!

    $1200 - $1500 for a quality pet lab puppy sounds pretty good. Providing you are getting health testing info from parents etc.

    Be aware that chocolate is a "popular" colour, and popularity can affect pricing. Popular colour doesn't always guarantee quality though.

    Personally I adore black in Labs, but choc has really taken off over the past few years...

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    When I purchased my boy we drove hours
    1. pick him out
    2. pay a $1500 deposit..

    Then we went back when he was 8 weeks old to bring him home...

    And we paid $3000 for him and these people had about 20 pairs of Breeding dogs of my breed
    and they had if I remember correctly, they told me I think they said 32 Kelpies plus they also bred
    Bull Dogs..

    I didn't think twice as these breeders are number 1 everywhere and highly recommended..
    I did my homework for months before I jumped in.
    Everyone with a Dogue that I spoke to were just nasty when I asked them that I would like
    to start breeding so I was also after long term relationship between myself and the breeder, they
    didn't want to help..It was like I was stepping on their ground.
    There Kennels were awesome, very clean and well designed..

    I would make some more inquiries before handing over the deposit..
    Number 1 though, def ask for hip & elbow scoring, if they don't health test
    their dogs I would seriously think long and hard about if you want to get a puppy
    from these people..

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    Lucky = 20 plus breeding pairs, 32 kelpies, and bulldogs???????????????

    That is a puppy farm no matter what spin they put on it. Papers or not, no one can have that many dogs and provide for them both physically and emotionally.MONEY MONEY MONEY... That upsets me!

    Natty - Are you saying you dont agree with a family choosing their own puppy? Why?

    ELLE - that does seem like a lot of money for a lab, but as you say, health is the priority. As I said before you NEED to see the testing results of ALL conditions affecting Labs for BOTH parents and grandparents, i wouldnt be paying that money without it.
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    Elee, I believe these are the tests available for labs,

    Hip Scores
    Clear Eye Certificate
    Optigen PRA testing
    Elbow Scores

    And a new test which is available - Multi-Focal Retinal Dysplasiais - This is a non progressive congenital condition which is widespread in several of our gundog breeds. Usually there is no more than one or two small folds in the retina that cause no problems whatsoever to the dog - if it was human it wouldn’t even need specs. However, in a smaller number of cases the retina can be partially or completely detached (geographic dysplasia)

    Normally MRD is caused by a simple recessive gene passed from both parents but in a tiny number of cases can be caused by the dam coming into contact with, for instance, parvovirus or herpes during pregnancy. Puppies can be screened for MRD before leaving their breeder. Those affected should not be bred from but the condition, so long as the sight is unaffected, makes no difference to the dogs’ ability to be a worker or pet.

    Maybe you could email the breeder the names of these tests and check they are in place or are going to be!

    I just cant emphasise enough the importance of health checks, and dont forget the grandparents when emailing. I had a pure bred rescue lab, he was riddled with congenital conditions, it is so sad when you fall in love with your pet only to have to endure endless vet bills and your companion in pain. The tests wont guarantee a healthy dog, but it is the best you can do to lessen the likelyhood of them occurring, and for the money your paying, those tests should be 5 enerations long and written in 24 carot ink...lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky Lady View Post
    When I purchased my boy we drove hours
    1. pick him out
    2. pay a $1500 deposit..

    Then we went back when he was 8 weeks old to bring him home...

    And we paid $3000 for him and these people had about 20 pairs of Breeding dogs of my breed
    and they had if I remember correctly, they told me I think they said 32 Kelpies plus they also bred
    Bull Dogs..

    I didn't think twice as these breeders are number 1 everywhere and highly recommended..
    I did my homework for months before I jumped in.
    Everyone with a Dogue that I spoke to were just nasty when I asked them that I would like
    to start breeding so I was also after long term relationship between myself and the breeder, they
    didn't want to help..It was like I was stepping on their ground.
    There Kennels were awesome, very clean and well designed..

    I would make some more inquiries before handing over the deposit..
    Number 1 though, def ask for hip & elbow scoring, if they don't health test
    their dogs I would seriously think long and hard about if you want to get a puppy
    from these people..
    thanks for your reply, i too have encountered other really nasty fellow lab owners/ enthusists who rather than wanting to help me make the right choice want to critisize and patronize me, it makes me think no wonder some ppl end up going to pet shops or byb (wrong i know) but if ppl who own love and breed a particular breed of dog treat u like that when your trying to educate yourself for the benifit of the dog hoe else are you suposed to learn?

    its such a hard decision and i really want to make the right choice this time as i suspect my lab might have come from a byb, i am more informed about pet shops and byb now so i really wanna do the right thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by cavalierqld View Post
    Elee, I believe these are the tests available for labs,

    Hip Scores
    Clear Eye Certificate
    Optigen PRA testing
    Elbow Scores

    And a new test which is available - Multi-Focal Retinal Dysplasiais - This is a non progressive congenital condition which is widespread in several of our gundog breeds. Usually there is no more than one or two small folds in the retina that cause no problems whatsoever to the dog - if it was human it wouldn’t even need specs. However, in a smaller number of cases the retina can be partially or completely detached (geographic dysplasia)

    Normally MRD is caused by a simple recessive gene passed from both parents but in a tiny number of cases can be caused by the dam coming into contact with, for instance, parvovirus or herpes during pregnancy. Puppies can be screened for MRD before leaving their breeder. Those affected should not be bred from but the condition, so long as the sight is unaffected, makes no difference to the dogs’ ability to be a worker or pet.

    Maybe you could email the breeder the names of these tests and check they are in place or are going to be!

    I just cant emphasise enough the importance of health checks, and dont forget the grandparents when emailing. I had a pure bred rescue lab, he was riddled with congenital conditions, it is so sad when you fall in love with your pet only to have to endure endless vet bills and your companion in pain. The tests wont guarantee a healthy dog, but it is the best you can do to lessen the likelyhood of them occurring, and for the money your paying, those tests should be 5 enerations long and written in 24 carot ink...lol.
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    haha thanks for the info..i have found a breeder who does heath test bopth parents
    hip score dam 5/3 elbow 0/0
    sire 1/1 elbow 0/0
    both are EIC and PRA CLEAR
    ive read conflicting info on what the scores should be...
    what do you think?

    24 carrot ink would be nice wouldnt it lol
    Last edited by elle.burns; 04-13-2012 at 04:27 PM. Reason: bad spelling

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