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    Quote Originally Posted by newfsie View Post
    What I do with older new dogs in my household is the NILF system.....I feed everything from my hand in tit-bits and when they have done something for it. Even just being polite and softly eating from my hand.
    This also sounds like a good idea too! That way he see's you a the person who provides the food and won't feel the need to defend it.

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    I would feed the older one everything by hand for a while and give him nothing of high value (ie no bones or anything that takes a long time to eat). Give it a few weeks doing that before going back to bowl feeding and dropping food in the bowl. If you are going to pat him while he is eating, one stroke down the back with a good boy is well and truly enough, don't stand over him and continuously pat him, could you imagine if someone did that to you while you were eating?

    In relation to the aggression towards the other pup, I doubt it is aggression, it is more likely a lack of bite inhibition coupled with the other pup getting to close to his food. He needs to learn bite inhibition so that if he needs to tell other dogs off he has the ability to do so without actually leaving any damage.

    Please socialise him with other dogs ASAP. The critical socialisation period is up to 16 weeks, your pup will really miss out if you don't take him out now and get him out meeting other dogs and people (and also other animals, but also situations, environments, noises etc), Bull breeds it is especially important to do this, I really cant stress it enough. If you pup has already had 1 or 2 shots, the chances of him picking up anything are very very slim, you also need to pick and choose where you take him ie: don't go to the dog park where you don't know anything about the dogs going there, choose to take him to friends houses, especially friends with dogs but dogless friends are good too, sit outside a Bunnings so people can pat him.
    Please make sure you do this with the younger pup as well.

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    I agree with newfsie and K&P

    I think 7 weeks is too young to be separated from the rest of the litter and mother, and leads to social ineptness because the puppy doesn't know enough about how to be with other puppies especially when it comes to feeding time.

    find some dogs you know have up to date vaccinations for play dates and supervise.

    Also play with your puppies and teach them bite inhibition ie teach them not to bite you or that you will be no fun if they bite you. This does not mean punishing them if they are too rough, but stopping your play and yelping like a dog that's had its tail stepped on, if they are too rough. Count to ten and try again.

    Also practice trading stuff for better stuff, eg a boring toy for an exciting toy. Teach "give". If you can do this with food that would be good but you may have to start with the puppies separated eg one in a different room or crate. The one that is not with you should have something really rewarding to chew or do while you are working with the other one, so they learn to be happy with that.

    And I agree about hand feeding the older puppy.
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    That one week does make a huge difference in a puppies life..i know one week seems nothing, but it is.

    I would definitely go with the same reading material Hya has posted for you
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    Thanks guys for your help.Both pups play with toys together,sleep together etc.It was the feeding issue that had me worried. Going to order 2 crates of ebay as hopefully want to show both pups

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz805 View Post
    Thanks guys for your help.Both pups play with toys together,sleep together etc.It was the feeding issue that had me worried. Going to order 2 crates of ebay as hopefully want to show both pups
    Just know that they may never be great with each other around food. This is not a HUGE issue. That is natural for them, it is instinct. In the end it isn't so hard to feed them separately if that is what needs to be done.

    The older pup guarding food from YOU is an issue and needs to be addressed.

    Keep us posted

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    Moved the older pup away from new puppy. All was going good. I would take food out of Taj bowl a few times & hand feed him then let him eat the rest.
    New problem he is now guarding the kitchen bench & floor around that area as soon as food is being prepared.
    Going to start crate traing. Any idea what size(height) I should by,
    Taj went to puppy preschool for 5 weeks with no problems till last week when he found a treat on the floor & went another pup. Teacher made me put him on lead for rest of class & whenever he got on top of another pup I had to walk away with him

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    Feel for you.......I really think this problem is escalating and personally I think you need to get in someone to check it all out........

    There are dog Trainers and there are people who do Dog behaviour and Training.

    I agree with having had to put him on lead and keep the other puppies safe, but the problem is the going away. you need to find a space where your puppy is good and he needs to know when he is good. The puppy needs to know that paying attention to you whilst there are other puppies around is good for him. But at the same time this needs to be done correctly, so that the wrong thing is not rewarded, you need to be able to read your dog. When you take the puppy away only when he has shown some in appropriate behaviour, the puppy might think that it has got what it wants "got rid of the other dog"....this often leads to further aggressive behaviour in the future. The puppy needs to be taken away, but brought back and know that it has not won and got rid of the "stranger" dog, but it is not allowed to do what it did or play. It is controlled
    In my puppy classes I teach people to deal with the more robust tougher puppies by getting them to focus on the owner and click/reward all good behaviour. Unlike some on here, I find it a little difficult to explain i writing. I feel it should be done on visual and explain what the puppy is doing when and where (in class). Sometimes teaching a puppy to just sit quietly with the owner whilst the rest are around is good.
    At home I would deal with inappropriate behaviour in the kitchen or so, by "time out". At our place inappropriate behaviour is dealt with immediately by grabbing the collar and just putting them away from all of us for "time-out". It is either the enclosed back verandah at our place or one of the bathrooms. we never use the crate for this. Time -out taking away at home is different, because the puppies feel they are missing out on the pack environment. Also we do this for only short periods. I used to do this with my very aggressive dog. I would grab her and say "time-out". Now if I mention "time-out", she adjusts her behaviour. It has become a conditioned behaviour, just like "leave it" has. If you repeat everything and do it the same way every time, you will be amazed at how quickly dogs learn.
    In a litter the other pups will just ignore a boisterous aggressive pup, just like giving it "time-out". I have watched this in my many many hours spent watching litter dynamics. Every opportunity I get, I spend hours with some litters when they are 4 weeks plus.
    The same reason I grab, by the collar, just like some of the bitches do with their pups. I even do that with older dog, I do not lead them when I am not happy with them, I grab them by the collar. Not rough, just with purpose..........

    Also the very basic stuff, like a lot of positive reinforcement training can be so much fun for puppies now. they are like sponges and just soak it all up. We train our puppies from very young. I start with some litters as young as 5 weeks (friends who breed). And it is all fun and positive and the puppies love it. Your pup is at the age where you have probably already done lots, but keep finding new things to do and new environments to find out about. Good luck, having two puppies at the same time can be a lot of work
    Last edited by newfsie; 12-26-2011 at 04:10 PM. Reason: forgot something
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    Thanks for your advice. I will try the time out in another room.Taj the older pup starts show training beginning of January so might be able to get more hands on help

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