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    I always say to people to get down on the ground and see it from the little dogs point of view, you may get a different perspective on what that play looks like to a little dog.

    I remember watching my younger brother play rugby, there was one team that had about four really big kids, they did nothing illegal or different but when they connected with the smaller kids it hurt.

    I don't agree with off-leash puppy classes, never have and never will. The instructors eyes can't be everywhere and owners are not knowledgeable enough to know when they need to intervene or not. It can make or break puppies and they should only be off leash for the call-away exercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC View Post
    I always say to people to get down on the ground and see it from the little dogs point of view, you may get a different perspective on what that play looks like to a little dog.

    I remember watching my younger brother play rugby, there was one team that had about four really big kids, they did nothing illegal or different but when they connected with the smaller kids it hurt.

    I don't agree with off-leash puppy classes, never have and never will. The instructors eyes can't be everywhere and owners are not knowledgeable enough to know when they need to intervene or not. It can make or break puppies and they should only be off leash for the call-away exercise.
    I like the Rugby analogy that explains it well.

    I agree about pups not being let off during class. That is why we have specific puppy play groups where all the trainers and their assistants are specifically concentrating on supervising as are the puppy parents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC View Post
    I always say to people to get down on the ground and see it from the little dogs point of view, you may get a different perspective on what that play looks like to a little dog.
    I often thought about that when I walked small dogs. But I think it is important that owners help them find ways to cope with this instead of just always picking them up at the drop of a hat. I never picked up the JRT I walked. Except for once when she was highly distressed when a big dog chased her round and round and would not stop. My bigger dog was trying to stop the other dog, so it was total chaos and I had to dive in and scoop the JRT up from the ground to make it stop.

    I don't think it's always advisable to let big and little dogs play. But I have seen it work. Some little dogs of course use the 'attack is the best defence method' with big dogs. Which personally I never minded - just like I thought it was totally reasonable for my bitch to tell of a male trying to mount her, but I know there's others who don't agree that that is acceptable.

    I think the big dog owners' attitude is really important here too. I have friends who always look down on small dogs (and their owners) and think it's funny when their bigger dog scares them because "those little dogs are such wusses". Makes me angry too.

    Hence, I think there is an opportunity to try and educate owners on big dog/small dog etiquette at the puppy classes that could prevent issues later on...

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    Yeah, the last thing i want is to be one of those big dog, little d**k owners with a attitude. Calling them little darlings was a bit over the top but some of the owners where a little too worried i thought. I must admit that i'm not a huge fan of small breeds but i can see why some people do choose those breeds for themselves.
    It sort of hit home that my 'little pup' is growing up now and he's not so 'little' to other owners. And yeah, if a bloody big Great Dane did come bouncing along i would proably be a little cocerned. No doubt Mojo would high tail it straight to Dad for some backup.


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    I have been attending puppy classes with Banksie for the past two weeks and even though she is the oldest (13 weeks) she is by far the smallest. She has only just hit 3 kilos.

    The funny part is, her best friend in the class is a huge golden retriever pup. While I must admit that I was apprehensive as first when the GR pup came bounding over, I was also very aware that shielding Banksie or picking her up could cause really horrible anxiety issues for her. (Not to mention some mean small dog syndrome!)

    They played so nicely and it was truly a joy to watch. Banksie can stand fully underneath the GR puppy and they look like tandem skydivers! It's hilarious.

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    leisa

    that is excellent work on your part.

    You might like this article - I've quoted the opening ... I always enjoy reading that bit.

    A web doc on dog play
    http://crl.ucsd.edu/~ahorowit/HorowitzEncycl.doc

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    Dog Minds and Dog Play (draft copy)

    Alexandra Horowitz
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    Department of Psychology
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    [from M. Bekoff, Ed. (2004). Encyclopedia of Animal Behavior
    (pp. 835-836). Westport, CT: Greenwood Press]

    A Great Dane, at its shoulders the height of a small horse, spots his target across the lawn: a six-pound Chihuahua almost hidden in the high grasses. With one languorous leap, his ears perked, the Dane arrives in front of the trembling Chihuahua. He lowers his head and bows to the little dog, raising his rear end up in the air, and wagging his tail.

    Instead of fleeing, the Chihuahua mirrors this pose in return, and she leaps onto the head of the Dane, embracing his nose with her tiny paws. They begin to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leisa View Post
    I have been attending puppy classes with Banksie for the past two weeks and even though she is the oldest (13 weeks) she is by far the smallest. She has only just hit 3 kilos.

    The funny part is, her best friend in the class is a huge golden retriever pup. While I must admit that I was apprehensive as first when the GR pup came bounding over, I was also very aware that shielding Banksie or picking her up could cause really horrible anxiety issues for her. (Not to mention some mean small dog syndrome!)

    They played so nicely and it was truly a joy to watch. Banksie can stand fully underneath the GR puppy and they look like tandem skydivers! It's hilarious.
    That would be so gorgeous to see, Leisa

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    Quote Originally Posted by leisa View Post
    I have been attending puppy classes with Banksie for the past two weeks and even though she is the oldest (13 weeks) she is by far the smallest. She has only just hit 3 kilos.

    The funny part is, her best friend in the class is a huge golden retriever pup. While I must admit that I was apprehensive as first when the GR pup came bounding over, I was also very aware that shielding Banksie or picking her up could cause really horrible anxiety issues for her. (Not to mention some mean small dog syndrome!)

    They played so nicely and it was truly a joy to watch. Banksie can stand fully underneath the GR puppy and they look like tandem skydivers! It's hilarious.
    Thats awsome on your behalf. I wish there where owners like you in Mojos class.
    Banksie will be so much better off because you let her experience playing with a bigger pup IMO.
    This week will be interesting as Mojo's really putting on the weight and size now. Even i notice it and i see him everyday.


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    I think Oskar's socialising with little dogs will be heavily reduced, and on a leash. Took him to the dog park this arvo and he had a friendly play with a little fox terrier , was friendly with a couple of pomeranian crosses.

    There was a lady in the park with her poodle, who was running off leash, we asked if Oskar could play, she said yes, they were playing, and the next thing we knew, Oskar had a hold of this poodle's ear, it was yelping, Oskar would not budge his jaw, and the poodle's poor owner was in hysterics, I felt so awful, we didnt know what to do, we left the park pronto, after apologising profusely. I have never seen him display this behaviour before. We were shocked. He is only 4 and a half months old. There was no blood, but just the fact he did this, is deeply shocking.

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    oh no oskar's mum! i can only imagine how you feel. even though i'm a relatively new dog owner i have a bit of experience with negative trips to the dogpark myself. i once was dogsitting for a friend for a few weeks who's dog had aggression/territory issues when we walked in the park, nothing major, just arking up whenever she had the chance. after it happened once or twice it was really difficult for me not to tense up and almost come to expect something. i found the best thing to do was to divert her attention everytime there was another dog off leash with a ball (she was a bit ball obsessed).

    thanks for referring me to that article hyacinth. it made for really excellent reading! i feel like a crazy parent the amount of reading i've done since we adopted banksie. i feel like i have SO much information, but some how always want more! lol.

    i will try to take pictures of her and the GR this week because it really is a funny sight! i was thinking about trading phone numbers with the other puppies owner to set up a play date!

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