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    Indeed not having a go at Misschief. I just had a bit of an issue with the arguments they gave to defend the code of ethics rule. I understand they didn't make up the rule and that the news must have come a shock to them and to the breeder too.

    MAC's explanation seems less unethical to me, but I don't know enough about the breed to comment on that.

    And of course the vast majority of people would prefer a hearing pup! I mentioned before that I would not take in a deaf pup or dog. But my argument was that IF there are people who are willing to, they would still rather put the pup down because of this rule which does not allow for any exceptions.

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    Hahah they would take it then realise Sh*$t I bit off way more then I could chew.. I do understand what your saying though...i did question this for a second because I did consider taking the pup anyway, but after thinking about it more the difficulty in training him would be a nightmare.

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    I don't know what part was unethical sounding about my post. It was very much the same as Hyacinth's just more basic and to the point.

    Do you want to be the person who is living next door to a deaf Dally?? Barking day and night. Do you want to be the distraught owner trying everything they can?

    And from the perspective of a person who holds on to puppies while I find the right home I can say from experience the longer I hold onto them the harder it is to part with them.

    When that person cannot manage and it ends up in Dally rescue or back to the breeder do you want to then be the person who puts down a grown dog. Remembering that you have other dogs in your house, mostly entire and you then bring in a dog to try and integrate it in and make it's life better.

    That seems simple enough, but what happens the next time. Would I then have two deaf Dally's living with me.

    I think the fact that Dally breeders/clubs have taken such drastic measures speaks volumes that they are different from other breeds that are prone to deaf dogs. Just the ratio of deaf to hearing Dallys is different to other breeds.

    They realise that and those that love owning Dally's realise that. I think we need to too.

    The more deaf Dallys that are put into homes the more chances there are of things going wrong and who will pick up the pieces. The breeders, clubs and rescues, not you or me.
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    Amen

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    I didnt used to understand it and even now I'm slightly confused as to why people cant be given the choice..

    This is kinda why, my GSP has quite a bad overbite and the breeder was originally going to put her down (it was only picked up after I'd already chosen her) to protect her reputation. But I eventually managed to convince her to sell Kaida to me unpapered and with the full understanding that she would deny it was her breeding.

    Sucky yes, made me really angry, yes.

    But I didnt think she deserved to die for being born different - especially now as it has corrected alot. I know deafness is different but what I dont get is why being pts only happens with this breed? I have two friends with white deaf bulldogs who are noisy as... Im sorry I just dont get it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexie44light View Post
    I didnt used to understand it and even now I'm slightly confused as to why people cant be given the choice..

    This is kinda why, my GSP has quite a bad overbite and the breeder was originally going to put her down (it was only picked up after I'd already chosen her) to protect her reputation. But I eventually managed to convince her to sell Kaida to me unpapered and with the full understanding that she would deny it was her breeding.

    Sucky yes, made me really angry, yes.

    But I didnt think she deserved to die for being born different - especially now as it has corrected alot. I know deafness is different but what I dont get is why being pts only happens with this breed? I have two friends with white deaf bulldogs who are noisy as... Im sorry I just dont get it!
    I agree... I just find it an unnecessary loss of life personally... but each to their own.

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    For those Dal breeders who are against the idea they don't join the breed club. People who will take a deaf puppy should buy from them.

    Those that join the breed club know their thoughts and will be of a similar mind.

    The way I understand it though is deafness is a real problem in the breed made harder by the fact that many are only deaf in one ear and due to a dogs good hearing it's not noticed until it's bred from and the ratio of puppies increases - so we are not talking about the same average as other breeds.

    Also if some breeders didn't PTS that is a lot of deaf Dal puppies in need of a home.

    I would sell a pup with an overbite, not all breeders care about appearances or reputations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC View Post
    I don't know what part was unethical sounding about my post. It was very much the same as Hyacinth's just more basic and to the point.
    Re-read my post. I said your arguments seemed less unethical than the argument that it was to protect the reputation of the breed or breeder.

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    I have only worked with Border Collies and Blue Heelers born deaf and they are quite easy to train..Not noisy either. So that must be the big difference, that fact that the dally's are noisy.
    The BC and Acd's are actually really good to work with even though completely deaf
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    Quote Originally Posted by newfsie View Post
    I have only worked with Border Collies and Blue Heelers born deaf and they are quite easy to train..Not noisy either. So that must be the big difference, that fact that the dally's are noisy.
    The BC and Acd's are actually really good to work with even though completely deaf
    Hahah try training a perfectly hearing dally first...I have spoken to alot of trainers and when i mention I have a dally they all say the same thing.. good luck with that one or his gonna be alot of work..and thats with perfectly good hearing.. they are a breed that are not for everyone but one I am familiar with...im familiar with alot of breeds and dallys I apologise but they do take the cake for independant minded.
    Unfortunatly in this situation you need to think with your head and not with your heart......there have obviously been way to many people thinking they can take on a deaf dally and as a result this code of ethics had to be put in place.

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