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    You are clearly not understanding it has nothing to do with the breeders reputation more Dalmatian pups will be born deaf than not born deaf its a default in the genes of the breed. It is not partially deaf it is COMPLETELY DEAF as a responsible perspective purchaser you need to understand that deformities are not ok it is exactly like a pup being born with 2 legs they can still live a happy life with the right equipment but it is not logical or ethical to keep that pup alive in the first place let alone sell him. Yea I am really bumed that I cant have the pup I wanted but health comes first and in this breed deafness is a sign of an unhealthy dog.

    P.S its not a dog..its a pup?? totally different obviously an older dog who used to hear could get on with life alot easier than if it could never hear in the first place
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    Deafness is not an illness, it's a pretty mild disability. And just like with humans being deaf from birth would be much easier to deal with than becoming deaf later in life. Also don't see what the number of pups born deaf has to do with rather putting a pup down than allowing someone to adopt it.

    There's quite a few things there that we'll have to agree to disagree on, it seems.
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    Yes we understand what deaf means, I don't think you do.

    Put some ear plugs in and walk around your house... Are you in any pain? Can you still function? Of course, you just need to do things differently than people who can hear.

    None of my dogs are deaf and they respond to hand signals rather than commands. If I had a deaf dog I just wouldn't let it off leash.

    I know that Dalmatians have a predisposition to deafness but that really doesn't come into the equation... LOTS of breeds are the same. Comparing a deaf dog to a dog with 2 legs is ridiculous.

    I agree with beloz, I am never going to agree that putting down deaf puppies is morally right so we will have to agree to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misschief View Post
    You are clearly not understanding it has nothing to do with the breeders reputation more Dalmatian pups will be born deaf than not born deaf its a default in the genes of the breed. It is not partially deaf it is COMPLETELY DEAF as a responsible perspective purchaser you need to understand that deformities are not ok it is exactly like a pup being born with 2 legs they can still live a happy life with the right equipment but it is not logical or ethical to keep that pup alive in the first place let alone sell him. Yea I am really bumed that I cant have the pup I wanted but health comes first and in this breed deafness is a sign of an unhealthy dog.

    P.S its not a dog..its a pup?? totally different obviously an older dog who used to hear could get on with life alot easier than if it could never hear in the first place
    I think you are the one who doesnt get it.

    More dally pups will be born deaf whether or not this pup is put down. Putting down a deaf pup isnt going to stop future ones from being born ffs.

    Like beloz said, deafness isnt a deformity, its a mild disability. One that dogs can still function perfectly well with. Sure, you would have to make some adjustments but nothing too ridiculous.

    So, you think it is logical and ethical to put a pup down JUST because it cant hear? That is the most illogical and unethical thing I have heard here.

    PS: What has older dogs becoming deaf got to do with anything?

    And I cant see how a deaf dog is "exactly the same" as a dog with 2 legs....there is a massive differenc ein ability to function normally. A dog with 2 legs wouldnt even be able to walk, or squat to poo....LMAO what rubbish

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    Sorry but go tell the board of the Dalmatian club that not me... its their rule, I guess im seeing the glass as half full.

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    This has nothing to do with MC. Dally breeders agree to abide by those restrictions that deaf pups are PTS. Go argue with the relevant bodies who have made those restrictions for breeding.

    Any posts made under the name of Di_dee1 one can be used by anyone as I do not give a rats.

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    The dog is the possession of the breeders and as such it is his property. If he breeds Dallys he knows the rules. if you buy Dally's you should know the rule.

    Anybody ever come across a deaf Dally, I hadn't so I made enquiries. The person who does show training that I go to handles Dally's for others, I've just got off the phone from her.

    Firstly a deaf Dally has a tendency to be noisy. They are a hard breed to train at the best of times. In the past many of these deaf Dally's either ended up in rescue or back to the breeder. Steps had to be taken, they took them.

    This has got nothing to do with the breeder reputation, every Dally breeder gets deaf dogs so the problem is not the same as in other breeds.

    Who wants to take home an 8 week old deaf puppy, really would you do that? when you could take home a hearing puppy.

    Would you really believe someone could handle that. God it's hard enough to find good homes and trust that people can do the right thing by your, now their dog, let alone trust them to handle a deaf dog.

    I would take the hearing dog any day, so who do I off-load the deaf puppy too. No discount, no de-sexing contract no nothing can ensure that people do the right thing.

    I bet that breeder and his kids had a horrible day. We know so little about the situation of deafness in Dallys, the breeders and clubs obviously know more than us.

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    I know that some problems in dogs especially certain coat colours with certain breeds can be linked with other problems like blindness and skin conditions.

    This is the American Dalmation club take on it.
    Dalmatian Club of America Position on Dalmatian Deafness
    Deaf Dalmatians are hard to raise, difficult to control (they are often hit by cars when they "escape") and often become snappish or overly aggressive, especially when startled.
    Putting them down only seems wrong to us because of the human connection eg there are whole deaf people commmunities with their own culture and are we to say they don't deserve to live because they are deaf? No. But dogs are different. Bad behaviour from dogs is much less tolerated than from humans. Ie council don't put restrictions on people who have children that keep the neighbourhood up all night.

    I see it a bit like refusing to desex a dog because the owner's balls are psychicly linked to his dog's balls.

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    PS as a moderator - can we please lighten up on Misschief - it's not her fault and she can't do anything about it and suggesting doing something illegal is not funny as far as I'm concerned.

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    No-one was having a go at misschief, we are saying the code of ethics is not right, they happen to disagree, that's what happens in a discussion.

    Why are deaf Dalmatians more prone to being louder or aggressive than other deaf breeds? Sorry still not buying it, they are hyperactive dogs with or without hearing.

    Some effort should be made to home the pup before culling. If no home can be found then fine, but saying they are not permitted to sell them is going too far IMO.

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