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    Dont know but it made your post easy to read lmao!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    Dont know but it made your post easy to read lmao!
    Maybe I shoudl use them all the time then coz usually my posts are a bit waffly LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    "The breed" is a piece of paper that describes an ideal of how a dog should look and perhaps some temperamental traits it should possess (like extreme stubbornness and difficult to train-ness).
    Not to mention drives for its workability, build to dictate how efficiently it can do the job it was bred for, coats to help it stay safe while doing its job.

    How effective is a small cross breed going to be as a security dog? Do you think a sighthound would be able to work cattle on a property without being injured/taking off after something else?

    A breed is not just the way a dog looks, but dictates it's abilities as well.

    A cross breed suits your need. You need a companion not a dog to work.

    I have a cross breed too, he's a rescue too and I don't have anything against them. My next dog will be a pure bred dog, because it will also be a working dog.

    Perhaps to suit you we need to abolish all purebreed dogs, stop having standards and goals for the breeding of dogs, just throw them all together and see what pops out and turf all of the work that has been done over the last few hundred years.... Then we need to make sure every dog with a defect or deformity lives despite the difficulty they will face and give those with behavioural issues the first choice.

    Get real.
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    No, I just said that we need to stop breeding dogs with genetic defects. Doesn't that sound logical? The argument that it is for the "good of the breed" to continue breeding dogs with obvious and severe genetic issues just doesn't cut it for me.

    I do like the variety that different breeds offer. And I must admit that - even though for most dogs what they were bred for is not what they are used for when they become pets - I also enjoy the predictability of their temperament. But that is no reason to keep breeding from the same gene pool when it is clear that there are serious issues with it, merely for our entertainment. I object to this focus on the absolute purity of their genes. Breeders and enthusiasts objecting to improving the gene pool by crossing another breed in for example. Or - if this theory about the patches were to be true - to slightly change the appearance of the breed to prevent health issues.

    That is what I find unethical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    No, I just said that we need to stop breeding dogs with genetic defects. Doesn't that sound logical? The argument that it is for the "good of the breed" to continue breeding dogs with obvious and severe genetic issues just doesn't cut it for me.

    I do like the variety that different breeds offer. And I must admit that - even though for most dogs what they were bred for is not what they are used for when they become pets - I also enjoy the predictability of their temperament. But that is no reason to keep breeding from the same gene pool when it is clear that there are serious issues with it, merely for our entertainment. I object to this focus on the absolute purity of their genes. Breeders and enthusiasts objecting to improving the gene pool by crossing another breed in for example. Or - if this theory about the patches were to be true - to slightly change the appearance of the breed to prevent health issues.

    That is what I find unethical.
    But the theory of the patches is not true. And they are trying to get everything fixed? They are working on the problem. Sure there are unscrupulous breeders who don't care - unfortunately that is the same for every breed. The majority are trying to do the right thing. They are trying to find and solve the issue. Stopping them from breeding just decimates the breed, it doesn't solve anything and given that other dogs suffer from hereditary deafness too, the dalmatian breeders finding this gene may go on to help with other breeds too.

    I'm not saying they are all doing the right thing. I am saying that the rules are there for a reason and until you know everything about the particular breed and the effort that is going in to fixing the deafness issue, it is not your place to decide that what they are doing is wrong.

    Every breed has some kind of genetic issue. Just like we do, we still have babies being born with a variety of genetic defects and doctors and scientists are still searching for the reasons. Do you believe people should stop breeding to prevent genetic disease?

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    Just because a dog is 'purebred' doesnt mean it fits in with its breeds stereotype. I'm sure everyone (if they'll admit it) knows a dog that that doesnt fit in with what the breed has been bred for.
    In the case of Dallies theyre not really used for anything anymore so they're mainly bred for looks, if the patchy thing is true why isnt that bred more or as someone suggested (LaLa I think?) breed darker colour dalmations. I believe this would have already been done if people werent so obsessed with keeping the spotty look.

    It is cruel to breed something where 30% die for our own pleasure.. end of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexie44light View Post
    Just because a dog is 'purebred' doesnt mean it fits in with its breeds stereotype. I'm sure everyone (if they'll admit it) knows a dog that that doesnt fit in with what the breed has been bred for.
    In the case of Dallies theyre not really used for anything anymore so they're mainly bred for looks, if the patchy thing is true why isnt that bred more or as someone suggested (LaLa I think?) breed darker colour dalmations. I believe this would have already been done if people werent so obsessed with keeping the spotty look.

    It is cruel to breed something where 30% die for our own pleasure.. end of story.
    I'm baffled as to where the 30% has come from... I asked earlier and recieved no answer. The accurate number is closer to 12%.

    The patch thing is completely incorrect. Yes, there are a lot of dogs that don't fit their breed standard - there are dogs that don't have the drive or workability to do what they were bred for. That is genetics. The only way to get an identical dog is by cloning and even then the dog may have a different personality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexie44light View Post

    It is cruel to breed something where 30% die for our own pleasure.. end of story.
    Very Cruel indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    I'm baffled as to where the 30% has come from... I asked earlier and recieved no answer. The accurate number is closer to 12%.
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    It was mentioned earlier in the thread? I believe Misschief said it? If its incorrect a 12% definate death rate is still really bad.

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