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    I like purebreds for many reasons. The most being I know what I'm getting.

    I have also lived with several crossbreds and a couple of real mutts.

    If we don't give people and science time we would have given up on many problems within breeds and crosses of. Without purebreds everything would mold into one eventually and where would those that have specific requirements be.

    The comparison I made between PB and Dals was a persons interest in the breed.

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    For those who asked if Dalmatians are hard to train, the answer is "God yes!". Some people have referred to them having selective hearing which is very very true. Like asking your OH to do ANYTHING whilst he/she is watching television except they do it on purpose. They stand and stare at you and then bust out their dopey dalmatian grin and run off as if it is all a game, the don't come back until they are ready and that's those with hearing! God save you if yours was deaf!
    My parents bred from my previous dalmatian in England, she only had one litter but out of the 13 pups she had, none of them were deaf, guess we were lucky
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    Freaken excuse me?!
    So now you're going to draw comparisons about my OPINION , you know,those things everyone is entiled to , by trying to be derogatory about something you know nothing of ?!

    *shakes head*

    I dont agree with Dallies continuing being bred at such high rates with such known faults.End of story
    No what I was saying is that you know how hard difficult dogs are to manage and how agonizing THAT decision is to make.

    Breeders are saving potential future homes the possibility of making that agonizing decision if their deaf dog is too hard to manage.

    Why put more people through that horrible experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misschief View Post
    Its for the better good of the breed...only time, funding and development will tell.....everything comes at a cost, without destruction there is no resolution.
    "The breed" is a piece of paper that describes an ideal of how a dog should look and perhaps some temperamental traits it should possess (like extreme stubbornness and difficult to train-ness).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClareBear View Post
    For those who asked if Dalmatians are hard to train, the answer is "God yes!". Some people have referred to them having selective hearing which is very very true. Like asking your OH to do ANYTHING whilst he/she is watching television except they do it on purpose. They stand and stare at you and then bust out their dopey dalmatian grin and run off as if it is all a game, the don't come back until they are ready and that's those with hearing! God save you if yours was deaf!
    My parents bred from my previous dalmatian in England, she only had one litter but out of the 13 pups she had, none of them were deaf, guess we were lucky
    You can say that again... you know Gus can hear me... he knows I know he can hear me... do you think he gives two hoots?? hahah your joking.... I found him rolling around in the compost yesterday... do you think any form of gus no gus get out HEY GUSSY!! LOOK WHAT I HAVE....nope I cant hear you mum!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    "The breed" is a piece of paper that describes an ideal of how a dog should look and perhaps some temperamental traits it should possess (like extreme stubbornness and difficult to train-ness).
    No it is the history that dog carries, the characteristics of why people buy them and why breeders breed them, its an identity.... its not just paper.

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    As I have said before, if it is the lesser marked (more white) dallies that seem to be more prone to deafness then why not change the breed standard to make more heavily marked dogs acceptable?
    That way instead of having mismarks that are too white, you have mismarks that are too black instead, virtually eliminating the deafness.

    There are ways to try and fix the problem, it just seems in the case of Dalmatians looks are playing a more important role than genetics.

    In regards to healthy shelter dogs being put down instead of deaf dogs that argument is just silly. A healthy dog has no more right to live than a deaf dog. Neither chose to be born, they both deserve a fair chance.

    No-one is saying don't cull deaf dogs, all we are saying is to give the OPTION for people to adopt/buy them rather than a blanket statement saying "defect, must be destroyed". Once again, as I said earlier, why not make it "deaf dogs are to be euthanised at 12 weeks of age if not sold". At least that gives some of them a chance to find a home where the owners are prepared to deal with the situation BEFORE they just euth them.

    Yes it is a case of putting emotions first... If you have no compasion for the dogs you are producing then you shouldn't be ruddy breeding in the first place. Heartless breeders who would rather put a dog down than find a home for it are lower than low.

    If I were a Dally breeder I would not be part of the breed club. If I had no choice but to put the deaf pups to sleep I would either not be breeding them in the first place or keeping all the deaf pups, which as we all know is not logical.

    I tend to agree with the idea of if the problem is so prevelant in the breed then measures should be taken to cut down on the numbers of dogs being produced. It's like the Pitbull (yes, stepping into dangerous territory I know) but I believe they should be restricted to certain breeders to improve the overall quality of the breed. If they were limited to a select few who actually had KNOWLEDGE of the breed in every aspect they could be put back on the map as healthy, good dogs to own... The same goes for Dallies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crested_Love View Post
    As I have said before, if it is the lesser marked (more white) dallies that seem to be more prone to deafness then why not change the breed standard to make more heavily marked dogs acceptable?
    That way instead of having mismarks that are too white, you have mismarks that are too black instead, virtually eliminating the deafness.

    There are ways to try and fix the problem, it just seems in the case of Dalmatians looks are playing a more important role than genetics.

    In regards to healthy shelter dogs being put down instead of deaf dogs that argument is just silly. A healthy dog has no more right to live than a deaf dog. Neither chose to be born, they both deserve a fair chance.

    No-one is saying don't cull deaf dogs, all we are saying is to give the OPTION for people to adopt/buy them rather than a blanket statement saying "defect, must be destroyed". Once again, as I said earlier, why not make it "deaf dogs are to be euthanised at 12 weeks of age if not sold". At least that gives some of them a chance to find a home where the owners are prepared to deal with the situation BEFORE they just euth them.

    Yes it is a case of putting emotions first... If you have no compasion for the dogs you are producing then you shouldn't be ruddy breeding in the first place. Heartless breeders who would rather put a dog down than find a home for it are lower than low.

    If I were a Dally breeder I would not be part of the breed club. If I had no choice but to put the deaf pups to sleep I would either not be breeding them in the first place or keeping all the deaf pups, which as we all know is not logical.

    I tend to agree with the idea of if the problem is so prevelant in the breed then measures should be taken to cut down on the numbers of dogs being produced. It's like the Pitbull (yes, stepping into dangerous territory I know) but I believe they should be restricted to certain breeders to improve the overall quality of the breed. If they were limited to a select few who actually had KNOWLEDGE of the breed in every aspect they could be put back on the map as healthy, good dogs to own... The same goes for Dallies.

    Yes but the problem with trying to home them is, what happens when 6 - 12 months down the track when the dogs hit adolescents and the owners can't handle them. It is all well and good for you to say find them a home, but it is the breeders who have to try to find a SUITABLE home, and there is no guarantee that people who say they can handle a deaf dog can and it certainly hugely increases the chance that the pup will be returned. Then breeders end up getting back a 6 - 12 month old dog who probably has issues who they then have to either try to rehome again to a better home or PTS.

    I doubt they would rather put a dog down then find it a home but I bet they would rather PTS early and save a family the heartbreak of making that decision themselves or having to surrender the dog.

    I agree too many byb of Pitts in this country (and every other country they exist in). I told one on facebook yesterday exactly what I thought. If people left the breed alone and left good breeders with good dogs to do the work we would have true APBT with good tempraments. Instead we have crosses of all sorts of dogs being called Pitts and going into idiot owners hands. But I doubt you will ever truly stop the misidentification of other breeds as APBT. That is a whole other thread.

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    Well said Crested!
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    Some excellent posts in here.

    UI will just make a few quick points and come back laer to do bigger opinions.

    1. Yes I do like to wind things up AandB, but I dont ALWAYS wind things up. My opinion in this thread is my opinion, not merely a ploy to get people angry.

    2. K&P yes I have had experience with deaf dogs...one from birth. She wasnt mine but a very good friend of mines and I would puppy sit etc. I knew her from day dot and she was awesome. Like I said...way better behaved than my guys who can hear perfectly well when they want to. And another relatives dog who I dont know if it was deaf from birth.

    3. Whoever said the "singlemindedness in this thread is provoking me" made me laugh. There is Singlemindeness on both sides of the argument

    4. I am having a giggle at the personal insult throwing. Quite amusing.

    5. Like AandB, I too will say what I think to someones face...but not just because they have a different opinion.

    6. I am enjoying this thread...what a wonderful debate. I still stick very firmly on the same opinion. Like I have said previously, I can understand why it is done...but its not right.

    7. I love the comparison to oodles....I have seen numerous posts and threads going on about genetic disorders in oodles and "desinger mutts" and how they stopped be stopped etc.

    8. I am not sure why I have used a numbered list.

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