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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    Fair few probablies in there K&P.

    Yes I have had experience with a completely deaf dog. A cattle dog actually , papered at that.He went to my teenage son and they had a wonderful time. Many times you wouldnt of known he was deaf at all.

    But as I said before , that is NOT the point. And Ange maybe its because I am in rescue I find it hard to stomach this one , I'm certainly not a bleeding heart though. This is nothing at all similar to the Pits. The breed does not have such a very high genetic defect. To the point of most breeders are EXPECTING a deaf pup or two in the litter. With this type of deficiency they should not be being bred at all.

    By the handful I meant , if you can find any that is, dogs that have shown for at least 2 generations to have the defect under control , then continue breeding/research with those. There is obviously something 'right' going on there, its upto the breeders /researchers etc to find it. There always seems to be some expert or researcher for everything esle around here.
    I find it hypocritical of you to sit here and say that deaf Dally's shouldn't be PTS when you had a perfectly healthy dog you had from puppyhood PTS due to dog aggression issues you couldn't handle or manage. And you expect others to take on pups that are deaf making them much harder to train and handle. A deaf dog is a lifetime commitment to training, de-sensitizing and management, not many people have that ability. Just like not many people have the ability to truly manage or rehab an aggressive dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    I find it hypocritical of you to sit here and say that deaf Dally's shouldn't be PTS when you had a perfectly healthy dog you had from puppyhood PTS due to dog aggression issues you couldn't handle or manage. And you expect others to take on pups that are deaf making them much harder to train and handle. A deaf dog is a lifetime commitment to training, de-sensitizing and management, not many people have that ability. Just like not many people have the ability to truly manage or rehab an aggressive dog.
    Freaken excuse me?!
    So now you're going to draw comparisons about my OPINION , you know,those things everyone is entiled to , by trying to be derogatory about something you know nothing of ?!

    *shakes head*

    I dont agree with Dallies continuing being bred at such high rates with such known faults.End of story
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC View Post
    I've been talking to breeders overseas, have contacted specialists doing research into the problem. Everyone is doing what they can, it's slow going but to stop now would be futile.

    I've posted links for people to read.

    I support all breeds and those that love and involve themselves in their chosen breed. I would no more want to shut down breeding Dalmatians than I would banning the PB.

    Each person has a right to their own opinion and so do the Dalmatian Club Breeders.

    Spots or splotches they've yet to prove either one means anything with deafness. But if it all stops now they'll never get to the bottom of it.

    I wouldn't think of owning many breeds for various reasons but I wouldn't suggest to people who love the breed to stop. Give it time and science will catch up with this and reputable breeders will take advantage of it.
    I like dogs, not breeds. I cannot see how the comparison to PBs is valid in any way. I have never heard of a significant percentage of ethically bred PB pups having to be PTS?

    I just cannot understand how people can say "give it time" when that means god knows how many pups being killed for the cause. I cannot understand how you can say that you care when you support breeding dogs with clearly defective genes. I definitely cannot understand that the same people defending this kind of breeding find breeding crossbreeds deplorable.

    There seems to be this massive divide between those who support a focus on the health and well being of all dogs regardless of breed standards and those who will defend breeding purebred dogs even if the poor quality of their gene pool is bound to result in severe health issues. With the vague promise that scientists and breeders will "eventually" find a solution. And for no other reason than that there is a demand for those type of dogs or some sentimental attachment to a breed ideal.

    I do not and never will get it.

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    As above

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    Yea Choppa but at the same time how else are they going to breed out the gene?
    Im not prepared for a breed to become rare/extinct due to a minority of the breed not being fit for re-homeing and reproduction, they are a wonderful dog and unfortunatly these are one of the things that need to be done.
    I respect that you feel it is "wrong" but if it wasnt done the A) you would have alot more dallys on an annual average ending up in a rescue centre or pound
    b)There would be little to no progress of the amount of deaf dalmations being bred from by BYB or irresponsible owners.

    Beloz it is a newly found defective gene... and if more people abided by the code of ethics it would be a much quicker process... it is down to 12% of Dalmatians being born deaf.
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    Pretty much what Beloz has just said.

    How much "time" are we to give them ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misschief View Post
    Yea Choppa but at the same time how else are they going to breed out the gene?
    Im not prepared for a breed to become rare/extinct due to a minority of the breed not being fit for re-homeing and reproduction, they are a wonderful dog and unfortunatly these are one of the things that need to be done.
    I respect that you feel it is "wrong" but if it wasnt done the A) you would have alot more dallys on an annual average ending up in a rescue centre or pound
    b)There would be little to no progress of the amount of deaf dalmations being bred from by BYB or irresponsible owners.
    But Misschief its not the minority of the breed.


    Seriously if this was an oodle case in point everyone would be screaming at the top of thier lungs to stop the breeding.
    Thats what I find hypocritical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    Umm that is exactly what they are doing.... They are trying to breed out the deafness the only way they can because they haven't found the genetic marker for it yet. So they are looking for it, researching it etc in a bid to solve the problem. They have to find the source first.

    You don't have a Dalmatian. From the sound of it, you don't want a Dalmatian because they aren't what you like. You don't have experience with the breed or breeding, you aren't a genetic scientist (or you would have explained it all by now) so other than bashing the breeders for trying to fix a problem in the random genetics of the breed and ensuring dogs don't suffer because of those same issues what is your problem?

    You're attacking the breeders for being responsible, yet if they sold the same dogs they'd be irresponsible because the pup would more than likely end up in pound or rescues then PTS. How can anyone win? Not to mention it's a defect in a puppy that you wouldn't take on yourself...

    As MAC has said, they haven't proven that the deafness comes from the spots or the splotches. I know I trust MAC's information a lot more than google. Better for something to come from the horses mouth so to speak.
    Dalmatians are not what I like? Huh? I think Dalmatians are great. I cannot think of a breed that I don't like. But I can also not think of any breed that I think they should continue breeding as they are even when they have serious genetic defects.

    If the patch theory doesn't hold true, then start crossing them with a breed that does not have the defect gene. Or alternatively have them all desexed when born and make a movie about "The Last Dalmatian". If a BYB would use dogs with such a high probability of genetic defects for breeding oodles everyone here would be up in arms about it. But a registered breeder can do it because apparently breeding dogs to standard is a much better cause than breeding dogs with healthy genes.

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    Its for the better good of the breed...only time, funding and development will tell.....everything comes at a cost, without destruction there is no resolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    But Misschief its not the minority of the breed.


    Seriously if this was an oodle case in point everyone would be screaming at the top of thier lungs to stop the breeding.
    Thats what I find hypocritical.
    Posted at the same time. Yes, one ethical standard for registered breeds and another one for everyone else. It makes my blood boil.

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