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    You cant say ow lets stop breeding dally's because there is a defective gene.... the aim is to breed out the gene not the dog

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    And your comment aimed at Lala is out of line.
    Umm How exactly? By stating something that she has admitted to time and time again?? And it's something she seems proud of too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    You clearly haven't read my comments properly. I have never suggested that deaf pups should be adopted out to just anyone. But there are plenty of examples of deaf dogs living full lives if they end up with the right owner. Clearly you are not going to find suitable owners for that many deaf pups, which is why they should stop breeding them. Oh no, that's right, these are the registered breeders who only ever have the best interest of the dogs on mind. Much more ethical to keep breeding pups who are unlikely to find a suitable owner than those evil BYBs.

    I just don't have a hierarchy of dogs based on which are more deserving of adoption. I've seen plenty of dogs with 3 legs who are perfectly happy too. A dog doesn't know it's disabled or different. If they have their needs meet, they will be happy.
    Yes I did. And I understand what you are saying. Hell I sit here and sob over all of the dogs that are posted daily on facebook saying save them, last day today. I'm lucky if I see one a day that gets saved of 10-15 dogs.

    I have never stated that all registered breeders have the best interests of the dog in mind. There are shonky registered breeders too - dodgy BYB's outnumber the shonky RB's by about 10 to 1...

    Clearly nothing. They know they won't find enough suitable homes and they also know that even though people THINK themselves capable, most won't be able to handle it. The Dalmation Club (not the breeders) decided on this rule and they have decided on it for a reason. Oh, and they are euthanising those that are highly unlikely to find a suitable home so that's a moot point anyway.....

    Just like BC breeders are not supposed to breed from PRA affected dogs. They can only breed from clear or carrier to clear. It stops a debilitating defect from destroying pets lives. Yes in some cases PRA affected puppies are put to sleep too.

    Not having the heirarchy is part of the issue. Priority should be given to those that are happy and healthy 100%. Then when there is room, save those that have mental or physical issues. And yes I could make that decision.

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    This is not just "a" dodgy registered breeder. This is a whole community of breeders knowingly breeding dogs of which a significant percentage have a low to no chance of finding a suitable home and have to be pts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misschief View Post
    You cant say ow lets stop breeding dally's because there is a defective gene.... the aim is to breed out the gene not the dog
    Why not? They are obviously not having much success with breeding out the gene. How many pups did they have to kill so far to get to here? Still a 30% deafness rate. How many more will they kill to achieve their goal?

    The hypocrisy of it all is really, really getting to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    This is not just "a" dodgy registered breeder. This is a whole community of breeders knowingly breeding dogs of which a significant percentage have a low to no chance of finding a suitable home and have to be pts.
    And while they are breeding they are researching the genetics to fix the problem (those that are doing the right thing) they are following their breed clubs COE and doing all they can to ensure the majority of the puppies are actually happy & healthy. Not defected but otherwise healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    Why not? They are obviously not having much success with breeding out the gene. How many pups did they have to kill so far to get to here? Still a 30% deafness rate. How many more will they kill to achieve their goal?

    The hypocrisy of it all is really, really getting to me.
    What hypocrisy?? What exactly is hypocritical to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    And while they are breeding they are researching the genetics to fix the problem (those that are doing the right thing) they are following their breed clubs COE and doing all they can to ensure the majority of the puppies are actually happy & healthy. Not defected but otherwise healthy.
    I know a very quick solution. Cross it with a breed that doesn't carry the gene. "Oh no, shock horror! We should do anything at all to preserve those purebred genes so people can own a purebred dallie, even if we have to kill 1000s more pups."

    Because that clearly is the ethical thing to do. About as ethical as making fur coats on my scale. (Haha, Dalmations and fur coats - that really was unintended!)

    So these registered breeders are so much better than BYBs because at least they KNOW that they will be getting a large number of pups with "defects" that need to be pts. While BYB can only guess whether their dogs will turn out healthy, though - based on common experience - they can be pretty sure that they won't have a 30% failure rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    Why not? They are obviously not having much success with breeding out the gene. How many pups did they have to kill so far to get to here? Still a 30% deafness rate. How many more will they kill to achieve their goal?

    The hypocrisy of it all is really, really getting to me.
    This fact is what bothers me too Beloz! Apparently Putting down rescue dogs is sad but putting down a Purposely bred Registered pup is ok and if you think any different you are " Thick"

    Any dog being put down is sad, for whatever reason!

    Why don't we just cull them all and start again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    I know a very quick solution. Cross it with a breed that doesn't carry the gene. "Oh no, shock horror! We should do anything at all to preserve those purebred genes so people can own a purebred dallie, even if we have to kill 1000s more pups."

    Because that clearly is the ethical thing to do. About as ethical as making fur coats on my scale. (Haha, Dalmations and fur coats - that really was unintended!)

    So these registered breeders are so much better than BYBs because at least they KNOW that they will be getting a large number of pups with "defects" that need to be pts. While BYB can only guess whether their dogs will turn out healthy, though - based on common experience - they can be pretty sure that they won't have a 30% failure rate.


    I'd already said that I wish the ANKC would allow breeders to do this like they have for this dog: Fiona the mongrel and a spot of bother at Crufts: 'Impure' dalmatian angers traditionalists at the elite pedigree dog show | Mail Online

    Sheesh... Even when it's already been mentioned it's not good enough... This dog sets the bar for the rest of the breeders. Some are anally retentive and brainwashed (read: sheep) and won't want to.

    ETA: Look at that... Governing body making decisions for the best interest in the HEALTH of the breed.... Shock horror!

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