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    I just wish everyone jumping up and down about a puppy being pts because he has a defect that will affect every aspect of his life would put the same amount of effort into actually doing something to save some of the 300,000 plus dogs put to sleep alone in pounds every freaking year here.

    Seriously, how the hell can we save the ones that are sick, injured and with faulty genes, aggression issues, fear issues etc when there are literally THOUSANDS of happy, healthy dogs with no issues are being PTS?

    I really think some people need to look at their priorities. Would you all honestly be able to handle a completely deaf puppy, through adolescence, through biting, teething, etc? I highly doubt you would ALL be able to, and why would you when you can get one that is completely healthy? Who is going to take on all of the puppies that are deaf?

    Think about this:

    18 Litters of Dalmation puppies listed on DOL at the moment.

    Go with 6 puppies per litter - that's 108 puppies total. Say that there is 1 completely deaf puppy per litter. There's 18 deaf puppies looking for homes. That's 18 families to find who will desex their dog, who will train and socialise their dog AND will be responsible for the dog for the rest of it's life. Get realistic people. It may suck, but look at the big picture FFS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    I just wish everyone jumping up and down about a puppy being pts because he has a defect that will affect every aspect of his life would put the same amount of effort into actually doing something to save some of the 300,000 plus dogs put to sleep alone in pounds every freaking year here.

    Seriously, how the hell can we save the ones that are sick, injured and with faulty genes, aggression issues, fear issues etc when there are literally THOUSANDS of happy, healthy dogs with no issues are being PTS?

    I really think some people need to look at their priorities. Would you all honestly be able to handle a completely deaf puppy, through adolescence, through biting, teething, etc? I highly doubt you would ALL be able to, and why would you when you can get one that is completely healthy? Who is going to take on all of the puppies that are deaf?

    Think about this:

    18 Litters of Dalmation puppies listed on DOL at the moment.

    Go with 6 puppies per litter - that's 108 puppies total. Say that there is 1 completely deaf puppy per litter. There's 18 deaf puppies looking for homes. That's 18 families to find who will desex their dog, who will train and socialise their dog AND will be responsible for the dog for the rest of it's life. Get realistic people. It may suck, but look at the big picture FFS.
    Point is though - the numbers you just pointed out ( and I'm sure there are far more) IMO is far too high to continue breeding this breed .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    Point is though - the numbers you just pointed out ( and I'm sure there are far more) IMO is far too high to continue breeding this breed .
    No. That is not the point.

    The breeders are doing all they can. They are trying to find out what causes it to prevent it. They are doing what they can to minimise the problems that occur. It sucks, but they are working on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    Point is though - the numbers you just pointed out ( and I'm sure there are far more) IMO is far too high to continue breeding this breed .
    Exactly. And with those kind of numbers of dogs born healthy being put down every year, how can you justify breeding litters that are likely to inlcude 30% of deaf dogs??? That is just totally and utterly unethical.

    And most of us reacting to the deaf pups being PTS didn't react to the fact that it may need to be done if no suitable carer can be found, but to the fact that it is a rule for members of the club, even if they would be able to find a suitable owner.

    You can try to rationalise this rule as much as you want and accuse the ones opposed to it (and shocked by it) of being bleeding heart softies, but the whole situation is just wrong in my opinion. And as one of the few members who doesn't get into the whole "only registered breeders should be allowed to breed dogs" ideology, this kind of thing just strengthens my view on this. Thank god I have a bitsa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    Exactly. And with those kind of numbers of dogs born healthy being put down every year, how can you justify breeding litters that are likely to inlcude 30% of deaf dogs??? That is just totally and utterly unethical.

    And most of us reacting to the deaf pups being PTS didn't react to the fact that it may need to be done if no suitable carer can be found, but to the fact that it is a rule for members of the club, even if they would be able to find a suitable owner.
    There are not enough suitable owners.... There aren't enough suitable owners for the majority of dogs being bred...... If there were, shelters wouldn't be overflowing...

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    I never said there WERE enough suitable owners! But if they can find one, why would you object to them adopting this dog? It may be a choice between him being PTS or a dog at the shelter. Why can't there be that choice?

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    So you're happier with the happy, healthy puppies and dogs being pts so that this deaf one can have a home?

    Real nice.

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    There are not enough suitable owners.... There aren't enough suitable owners for the majority of dogs being bred
    Yes but the shelters are overflowing with staffy crosses and farm dog bitsas - not so many dalmations - there's a few that show up and they mostly find good homes.

    We either need to stop people buying labradoodles and get the shelter dogs, or stop the people who breed dogs that end up in the shelters. Ie they're not doing the best job of finding suitable homes for the dogs.

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    I agree 100% Hy. But this Dalmation breeder is essentially doing the best thing for the pup. I agree with what has been done.

    Perhaps I'm just disenchanted with the 'must save everything' attitude most people seem to have?

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    I agree with choppa and beloz.

    A deaf pup is still a happy healthy one ffs.

    I also dont like all these "training" comparisons. Its not just dallies who dont come when called etc.....my phones ringing so I cant finish this lol

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