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    Oh trust me there was no other signal. When my puppies start to live with the older dogs I watch their interactions very carefully. I do know my dogs and after 24 years of breeding dogs I know what pups are like.

    Ethical breeding is easy to talk of but this is not quick or straight forward fix. And breeders haven't been sitting on their hands. Things are underway.

    Again it's a Dal breeders choice what they want to do. If they are of the belief that a pup should be given a chance then there is a very simple solution don't join the breed club, doesn't mean they are not a member of the ANKC. If their school of thought is otherwise join the Dal Club in their state.
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    Would a dog growling - have a vibration to it? Pretty sure deaf people can appreciate music when it has a vibration as well.

    When my dog growls there is usually some lip and nose action too that could be seen by a dog that compensates by being visually observant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lala View Post
    I would own a deaf dog and it wouldnt have anything to do with feeling sorry for it.



    Deaf dogs arent as difficult as everyone wants to make out so they can defend what is basically a murderous code of ethics. I am not saying they are "easy" but they arent that hard either

    Today I collected a deaf foster dog. It is her second spell with me. She has been with four other foster carers and on trial with one potential owner during a two month period.

    She is a cross-breed that has heaps of potential. But her deafness is a huge hurdle in finding a suitably experienced owner. Unfortunately, she will continue to be a challenge getting her re-homable and finding an owner genuinely willing to continue the hard yards.

    Our foster carers are people just like you and me Lala, we really care, we want her to live a full and happy life. However we need to be realistic, the modified training, the time and ongoing finances to support her needs are very demanding. She may never find a home.

    There are many other "normal" dogs waiting for foster placement and a hopefully a new home. Is it fair we spend so much time on her? My heart says yes, but my head says no.

    Would hate to think how many deaf Dalmatians would end up euthed or in pounds because well intentioned people can't cope while trying to prolong what should have been done earlier.
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    I wonder if the community of deaf people would be more likely to help. Though I know some of them use dogs to let them know when the phone or door bell is ringing - if they can't see the flashing light.

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    One of mine won't let the others near him when he has food, he had never growled but he does bare his teeth, that's enough the make the others back away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chipps View Post
    Today I collected a deaf foster dog. It is her second spell with me. She has been with four other foster carers and on trial with one potential owner during a two month period.

    She is a cross-breed that has heaps of potential. But her deafness is a huge hurdle in finding a suitably experienced owner. Unfortunately, she will continue to be a challenge getting her re-homable and finding an owner genuinely willing to continue the hard yards.

    Our foster carers are people just like you and me Lala, we really care, we want her to live a full and happy life. However we need to be realistic, the modified training, the time and ongoing finances to support her needs are very demanding. She may never find a home.

    There are many other "normal" dogs waiting for foster placement and a hopefully a new home. Is it fair we spend so much time on her? My heart says yes, but my head says no.

    Would hate to think how many deaf Dalmatians would end up euthed or in pounds because well intentioned people can't cope while trying to prolong what should have been done earlier.
    Maybe thats some of the problem, you are looking for a suitably experienced owner (I assume based on your post).

    Perhaps the right owner for her is not someone experienced but someone who is willing to take her and put the effort in.

    I didnt say it was a piece of cake at all but I think while the initial learning to cope might be difficult, once you have worked out how to communicate with the dog, it wouldnt really be any different to communicating with a sighted dog except obviously you couldnt go off lead coz they wouldnt hear a recall.

    Like I think I said earlier, I know of 2 deaf dogs (completely and I know one was from birth but not sure about the other) who do perfectly well. They are both way better behaved than my guys.

    My head and my heart says yes it is fair to spend so much effort on her. She deserves just as much chance at a happy life as a hearing dog.

    I dont care what the arguments are, I just can not find it OK to put pups to sleep for being deaf and stick by my statement that if it is such a problem that 30% of pups bred are being PTS, then perhaps dallies shouldnt be bred at all.

    I can understand that perhaps if a hoem cant be found, or a dog goes through many homes due to their deafness then, and only then, the kindest thing to do would be to PTS...but not without trying.

    I just ant believe we have clubs around with that as a code of "ethic". The only ethical way to do it would be to not breed at all. IMO.

    I CAN understand all the arguments FOR of course...I just cant agree that its acceptable

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    I'm sure there was probably a bit of vibration but we are expecting a lot from puppies to translate vibration to 'get the hell off my back now'.

    They couldn't see her face she was lying on her side and they went to climb over her from her back, not leg side. Due to her jowls the only indication of a growl is some wrinkles on the top of her nose, not seen from the puppies position.

    I was watching them and if they had decided to ignore the warning, which they often do with their mother knowing she has patience with them, then I would of stepped in. With a deaf pup I would of stepped in before it reached Gemma.

    But straight away a deaf pup would of been at a disadvantage and needs an aware and special owner. Everyone here is addicted to dogs, obsessed by dogs. We are the exception not the rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lala View Post
    Maybe thats some of the problem, you are looking for a suitably experienced owner (I assume based on your post).

    Perhaps the right owner for her is not someone experienced but someone who is willing to take her and put the effort in.

    I didnt say it was a piece of cake at all but I think while the initial learning to cope might be difficult, once you have worked out how to communicate with the dog, it wouldnt really be any different to communicating with a sighted dog except obviously you couldnt go off lead coz they wouldnt hear a recall.

    Like I think I said earlier, I know of 2 deaf dogs (completely and I know one was from birth but not sure about the other) who do perfectly well. They are both way better behaved than my guys.

    My head and my heart says yes it is fair to spend so much effort on her. She deserves just as much chance at a happy life as a hearing dog.

    I dont care what the arguments are, I just can not find it OK to put pups to sleep for being deaf and stick by my statement that if it is such a problem that 30% of pups bred are being PTS, then perhaps dallies shouldnt be bred at all.

    I can understand that perhaps if a hoem cant be found, or a dog goes through many homes due to their deafness then, and only then, the kindest thing to do would be to PTS...but not without trying.

    I just ant believe we have clubs around with that as a code of "ethic". The only ethical way to do it would be to not breed at all. IMO.

    I CAN understand all the arguments FOR of course...I just cant agree that its acceptable
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    Really? Geez woman, youre easily goosebumped LOL

    I actually had to read it again to see what you thought was great about it and I cant see anything LOL

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    guys after getting my pup...if he was deaf there would be absolutely no chance of me being able to train him..... id need to hire someone who specialises in training deaf dallys... who knows how much that would cost me... then there is Nala... if this pup couldnt hear her there would be problems.....nala does not bare teeth...but when the pup is doing something she doesnt like she will go stiff (pup has no idea that this stiffness means back up) she then follows with a firm growl but her face and body stance is the same.....from this the pup will back up or roll on his back and submit. Having a deaf dally would not only cost me money and time I dont have but it would take a whole lot of joy out of owning a pup, I think finding a person who is willing to take on a deaf dally from 8 weeks till 14 years is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

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