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    Default When Can I Leave Pup and 2yr Old Alone Safely?

    For those who have crates and arent afraid to use them.

    Im crating the pup who's 8 weeks.
    We have a 2yr desexed male GSD who's friendly to all dogs he meets.

    The pup gets that if it goes in the crate, the GSD cant fit in there.

    The dogs appear to get on well. The pup is bold, confident, and even a sharp bark from big bro does not phase her at all. She just steals the next toy whilst he's distracted.

    Bernie is very gentle with her, plays 'tug of war' really softly, despite being able to pull me off the sofa when we're playing, he's gently tugging for the pup.
    We feed Bernie first, who has decided that pup should get fed too, and brings food to the pup and drops it at pups feet. Including last nights belly of pork bones. Ate all but one, then gave it to pup.

    The play can get a little rough at time though. On both parts. Pup bites at the GSD, which occasionally you hear him yelp. And pup submits onto her back. Similarly, if GSD gets too rough, pup yelps, and GSD stops and licks her and waits for her to bound at him again.

    So, so far so good.

    Question 1.
    How long till i can safely leave GSD with pup outside of crate, say in garden? I read somewhere approx first 2 weeks. Why 2 weeks, and not 4 or 1?
    What is it im judging this on? I need criteria to assess. Not just a time line and hoping all you lucky multi dog families can offer some advice.

    Question 2.
    I generally run GSD off leash with other dogs. For the first 3 days, ive had him on leash, worried he'll protect the pup.
    When the 2 viemaranas (spelling?) arrived this morning. GSD rounded up pup to between my legs or his, and wouldnt let it leave the 'safety zone' whilst the 2 large dogs were near. He was fine with the bitches, but the intact male was clearly too much.
    Any suggestions?
    I want to avoid developing gaurding aggression in Bernie GSD.
    As pup is a rottie x dogue de bordeaux, it will get larger fast. Might that help?

    Bernie.

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    I think it depends when you feel comfortale doing it.

    When we got Barney he was 10 weeks old and was left alone with our 8 year old dog from day dot.

    When we got Pippi (shes a tiny dog) she was 8 weeks old and Barney was 4 and I didnt leave her alone outside with him until she was about 4 or 5 months old. Mainly due to the size diffference and I wanted to make sure she could handle playing rough. Turns out I didnt need to worry because she likes it that way LOL

    I think there is no hard and fast rule about the time being right. You will know when it feels right IMO

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    From your header I thought you meant 2yo child and I was going to say - never leave a 2yo child alone, with or without a dog.

    Dunno about two dogs. Maybe ask the breeders?

    When the puppy starts to get to a similar size (or bigger) than the other dog - and hits doggy adolescence eg 8 to 18 months approximately, it may be the older dog that needs to be kept safe.

    Then again our family Aussie Terrier had it all over the family ACD x Kelpie puppy for the life of the terrier.

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    We leave our pups with our other dogs from day one........We crate our puppies at night to potty train them, but we encourage our dogs together form day one. I suppose if you see any aggression this will not work.
    We used to make a lot of fuss of the dogs already in house and left the puppy roaming. We made a point of not over fussing of the puppy, because this can cause some jealousy. We have always been able to integrate our pups with our multiple dog household. Now if one of the mature dogs grumbles at the puppy, we allow this. We do not chastise the older dog. Only if I found a dog go to the puppy and show aggression would I intervene. Puppies have to learn manners too.
    I get a lot of joy out of watching puppies and older dogs. We also have taught our older dogs to "gentle" play. this means we stop rough play and say "gentle" and allow play to resume and stop it again if rough and say "gentle" again. The older dogs "get it" pretty soon.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    From your header I thought you meant 2yo child and I was going to say - never leave a 2yo child alone, with or without a dog.
    Ditto! I thought: duh, never!

    To me it sounds like your older dog gets the message completely and would be fine with pup alone. Maybe just try it in the backyard while you watch from a window?

    As for the guarding behaviour, that's a tough one. My old dog was a fairly big staghound cross and her best friend was a tiny Jack Russel (who was older than her). I used to walk them together daily for a while and my dog would stand up for her little friend if another dog got too rough with her. But as I didn't take them to dog parks, I usually could just walk away and it never went further than a brief chase.

    I do remember one funny incident with a Staffy who was taking herself for a walk in the park and desperately wanted to play chasies with my dog who usually wasn't playful at all. The clever staffy soon discovered that if she started prodding the Jack Russsel, my dog would chase her away and turned it into a game that she greatly enjoyed.

    I suppose it is fair for your dog to try to protect your little one by keeping hm close to her. But obviously if he is getting aggressive towards other dogs because of this, that is not ok. Maybe a few sessions of keeping your adult dog on the lead while puppy plays with some nice large dogs might make her feel less worried about the pup's safety? Not sure...

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    I think Lala pretty much summed it up, if pup is larger or of equivalent breed size to current dog I have no qualms leaving them together say after a weekend of observing to make sure they are comfortable with each other.

    Small breed puppies with a larger adult breed dog I do keep separate when I'm not around as even thru play the small breed pup could sustain an injury.

    Judging from your comments, the size/breed of your puppy and Bernie's acceptance of the newcomer I would probably leave them together.

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    Thanks for your replies.
    As it turned out, we had a incident last night around 12 midnight. I heard the pup screaming, and in the fog was just getting up to check, when the GSD barged into my bedroom (he NEVER comes in there) and grabbed me dragging me to the crate, crying himself. The pup was trapped, having chewed on bars, got her jaw caught up and couldnt get free.
    I opened the crate door.
    I figured she stands less chance of being harmed by GSD than she does in the crate!

    Ive watched GSD closely, he gets a tad rough at times, but stops when she yelps. Roughness comes from large paws flattening her to the ground for a good lick n clean session. Not aggression.

    So, they spent the night, sleeping together on GSD's bed. No whinning from pup for rest of night, as she could snuggle into her big bro for warmth.

    Ive been up since dawn. Bernie is house training her nicely. Takes her out for pee with him. No accidents since leaving back door open all last night so Bernie can round her up to the garden toilet.

    I have a grandchild arriving soon, i can send my anxious mum juice onto that. As this pup seems fine with Bernie alone. I guess i should of trusted Bernie a little more and been less anxious.

    The crate is still there, pup goes in there to get away and snooze. So it can stay for a while.

    Just had their first walk together. Bernie took her into the river, she loved it. Great, i suspect i now i have 2 dogs that wont go past a puddle without jumping into it.

    Now back from walk, both led filthy and wet on their bed asleep.

    Did you know a 8 week old rottie x dogue de bordeaux can lift and carry an entire marrow bone through a dog flap? Nor did i The bone is bigger than she is too.

    She's so like my old rottie, brings back memories of Kevin my beloved rottie who passed away in 2009 RIP.

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    That's such a lovely story! You have a happy little family there.

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    Newfsie
    goreous photos of goreous dogs.
    thanks

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    Why was i worried?

    2 weeks in and pup has taken over the good massive dog bed, whilst Bernie squeezes onto her tiny pup bed.
    All those bones he took great pains to hide in the garden, she's unearthed them all, and stashed em in her hidy hole and wont give them back.

    He's just beginning to up the anti with tug of war games, whereas 8 week pup was gently trailed with the tug, now he's shaking his head quite roughly, as she grows in strength. She has doubled in weight and size in 2 weeks. Is not fragile at all.

    I now feel slightly sorry for Bernie. She's such a bitch.

    He is far more me focussed though, so as she wanders off distracted by a passing fly, he's back at my feet, numero uno once again with a big sigh!

    He's approaching her to play now. Shoving a tug toy into her face, annoying her lol

    Now, if he could just teach her that the lead means walk forward, that would be great!

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