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    Someone once told me all dogs originated from wild dogs. There is no proccessed dry foods and preservative filled proccesed meats in the wild.
    The advice was animals will always do best on what their bodies were designed for. Stick to raw and meaty bones, eggs and things like flax seed oils which occur naturally in wild dog diets, the odd veggie and greenery and of course the odd wilderbeast or 2.

    My son found a plant in the supermarket called "pet grass" and bought some home. He planted it in a pot and in the morning there was only 1 cm above ground level left even though he had hidden it till it grew a bit more prolific. Not sure how different it is from normal grass but they are crazy for it?
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    Domestic dogs were scavengers, not hunters. The theory that we should feed them based on the diet of a wild dog is wrong.


    Still, if you believe this theory, why don't you feed yourself like Neanderthal man and eat primarily nothing but meat. Or perhaps you might want to come forward a bit (and a touch sideways) in the evolution chain and eat primarily berries, nuts, grasses and seeds?
    Dogs have evolved over a period of more than 40 million years. Domestic dogs have been evolving for more than 30 thousand years. In that time their digestive system has also evolved. I cannot see the logic in feeding a dog, that evolved as a scavenger, like am acestor that existed over 30 thousand years ago.
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    My dogs self-serve in the veggie garden when there is lots there. Silver-beet seems a favourite and so are beans/peas and such. Tomatoes and berries are their all time favourite. I do not cook the veggies i prepare for them. I give it a blast in the blender to make it more digestible. In Winter I do not worry too much as to what happens to their daily bones, but in Summer I remove them after a couple of days, because they dry to much and will splinter like cooked bones or possibly wreck teeth by becoming too hard.
    My dogs also get offal, about 10%-15%, depending on what. I am more generous with liver compared to kidney and other stuff. Mine eat any meat, depending on what we kill or what the butcher has. My favourite food is the meaty bones for mine. My puppies have been having bones (brisket) from 4 weeks on. Because that is what my breeder gives hers.
    I also use veggies for training. My dogs love the carrots and peas from the frozen section and i also go for the Aldi cheap veggies at times.
    We also feed a cooked rice/oats.barley/lupins(blended)/meat mix in the evening. I cook that every morning for them to have at night. I soak all the stuff overnight. That is their favourite food
    And microwaved lambs liver is my main training food....It goes kinda rubbery and dry and is easy to handle
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    We feed very little dry food because most has grain as a first ingredient and dogs do not need a lot of grain, weather you think they were scavengers or hunters, they still would not have gone about stripping grain but probably would have eaten fruit on the ground and grass in the gut of either prey or dead animals they found and only a bit of grain in crops of birds they managed to catch and that would not have been many.

    Pet shop and supermarket dog food, even if it is chunks of raw meat like Roo ect have preservatives in it that can kill dogs in large enough quantities.

    Best to buy human grade stuff just to stear clear of preservatives, there are no regulations in QLD as to how much preservative can be used.

    I recently watched a TV doco on an African wild dog pack and they were hunting, and very well organised at it too.

    Dingoes are wild dogs and they both hunt and scavenge for their food.

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    yeah i only buy human grade food for him....... apart from his dry food, i dunno if id eat that personally :P

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    As scavengers, they ate what the humans discarded or left behind at the campfire.

    The wild dog became doemsticated by living side by side with early humans as the canine relaised that there was an easy food source (ie scavenging from man). Early man then began to use the canine for its own purposes and the basic beginnings of dog breeding began. This is obviously a very, very simplified version though.

    The evolution of the domestic dog is interesting and I believe more people should learn about it.

    Still, I find it perplexing that people continue to talk about feeding domestic dogs as if they were wild dogs, when wild dogs and domestic dogs have different needs and have evolved differently.

    As I said, we may as well eat the diet of neanderthal man if we believe we should feed dogs today like the wild dogs of millions of years ago.

    And if anyone seriously believes there is any likeness between a wild dog or wolf and the Pug of today, you need to be locked up.
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    i cant wait to tuck into my dinosaur burger at lunch

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    Pugs have been around a very long time. There's 17th century paintings of princesses with pugs in their laps in the Louvre. I expect they got fed fillet steak and cake and lollies.

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    I think the processed things in diets both humans and dogs are eating are doing both a good deal of harm, natural foods are best for both and those who do stick to all natural foods are healthier and likely to live a lot longer than those who do not.
    I do not think any dog has 'evolved' enough to cope with this sort of thing

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    How could the inner workings of modern dogs have a component to cope with rubbish fed that was not, or is not in the innards of wild dogs?.

    I would like to read up on this as nutrition is important, but have found nothing scientific so far to prove that there has been any major change in the stomachs of canines.

    I do mean a link to proper studies done not some blurb by a dog food company trying to convince us all that their preservative laden crap is better for our dogs than good meaty bones from the butcher along with a few veg ect.

    Several species of dogs still exist in the wild totally independent of people and I have not heard of any studies showing any difference in how their stomachs work.

    There is no doubt that they are tougher and have far better immune systems as they would need to have to survive, but food wise they live on mainly meat, grass and grain from gut and crops of dead animals, have been seen eating fallen fruit, would chew a little grass just as our domesticated dogs do, so what is so different?

    Maybe they would eat cake too if they could, it would do them no more good than it does a modern pet or indeed ourselves for that matter, health fanatics do live on fruit, nuts and raw veg, and swear by it.

    I rather a middle road for both dogs and people, that does not mean my middle road is better for health though, just not as destructive as an all processed diet full of additives some of which have been proven to do harm to any living being, nor would I think it as good as a totally natural diet.

    Could be the high rates of cancer in pet dogs is as much from the toxic rot we feed them as from the toxic chemicals we surround ourselves with.

    Some interesting opinions here though will look forward to replies when I return next week, and maybe some good links to look up regarding changes in the digestive tract of modern dogs, thanks in advance.

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    I have just posted something about Gigha's Vets All Natural Diet in another food post, it has all the vegies etc in it and we mix it with chicken and beef mince. Seems to be doing the trick. You could try that.

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