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    I think trying to rehome one would be the best idea. Then you can concentrate on doing a good job with one and think about adding another further down the track. What a difficult situation.

    As far as anxiety around other dogs you need to organise a nice controlled socialisation with stable dogs of different breeds and sizes.

    Dont put your dog in a situation where you have to jerk or punish her around another dog and dont put her in the situation where another dog barks or growls at her. She wasnt doing anything wrong, it is the other dog that should have been removed. Although the little dog might have thought it was going to be hurt and be mindful that some dogs dont like puppies.

    She is in her puppy socialisation window which lasts till she is about 16 weeks old and bad experiences during this period can form strong associations for the rest of their lives. Good experiences during this period with other dogs and people are essential. If she has good experiences with social dogs and learns good social skills around other dogs she will be better equipped to deal with the not so nice dogs in the future.
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    Thank you so much everyone. We really do have so much to learn! All I did with Millie was give her lead a little jerk, she sat down and I sat down with her. Didn't consider what association she was making regarding the other dog yapping at her. What you guys are saying makes sense. Esp the idea that behaviour reinforced by reward "sticks". I guess with Cesar Millan, he's working with dogs that already have serious problems so maybe his techniques don't translate well to other dogs.
    Have to run and catch the bus for work now, but I'll be back!!!

    Many many thanks
    Sharon

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    The whole 'pack' thing along with 'dominance' 'alpha theory' etc has been widely debunked.

    A dog does NOT have to be submissive for training to be successful!!! And his methods are horrid. Not to mention he cheats and lies during the shows and people are too busy being distracted by his theatrics that they don't see what is actually happening in the show.

    He is an outright bully. There is no 'energy' going on. His body language is quite aggressive. The tones of voice he uses are negative and pushy, and you wind up with a dog that has been cowed into behaving, rather than a happy dog willing and able to do anything for their owner.
    Widely debunked by who? Can you please provide some references.

    Can you also please provide references for where Caesar has cheated and lied during his shows?

    Your making a lot of statements here with no back up.

    Show's like Caesar I take with a grain of salt. Mainly just entertainment but I hardly think he's a bully.

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    I am no fan of Ceasars but I have watched some of his shows and although I wouldnt train all my dogs like he does especially fear aggressive dogs, I do use some elements.

    I have a sheep dog that is way to pushy and strong on sheep and is inclined to challenge other male dogs. I have tried many methods and in the end I just have to be pretty tough on him and enforce certain things. He is a very confident dog and needs a firm hand. It is always done fairly and I praise him big time for what I like, but I simply do not tolerate innappropriate behaviour. He is the only one of my dogs I have to handle in this manner and he is really starting to listen to me now and behave himself because he knows I mean what I say, no beating around the bush.

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    Like i said alot of people dont have caesers personality or energy and there are other training methods that can be used to make a dog do what you want it to do, however isnt making a dog do what you want it to do making it submissive to you? a dog would not do what you want unless it felt that you were its leader, thus making it submissive to you

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    Well things have taken an interesting twist this morning. I was taking Rascal for a short walk, and our neighbour came out (we live in a townhouse complex, unit 31, and she is on the other side in unit 1). She was totally taken by Rascal and even said, "can I steal you?". So I said, "Well funny you should say that."

    Turns out they had to have their 14 year old German Shepherd euthanased last December and she is, in her own words, "still a mess", and desperate for a puppy. So it looks like if we did decide re-homing was the better option (and I have to say watching the pups this morning I'm starting to see the wisdom in that more and more), we might have a viable option that is also someone we know and trust, very close, and the dogs could still interact to some degree.

    We shall see.

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    Oh wow....PERFECT!

    Any posts made under the name of Di_dee1 one can be used by anyone as I do not give a rats.

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    oh Rascal you really should take that offer up while you can... you will still get to see her and watch her grow... I breed staffords and no way would I ever allow anyone to have two litter mates either same sex or opposites... raising one puppy is hard enough enjoy her and be safe in the knowledge that your other dog is safe too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan4nas View Post
    Like i said alot of people dont have caesers personality or energy and there are other training methods that can be used to make a dog do what you want it to do, however isnt making a dog do what you want it to do making it submissive to you? a dog would not do what you want unless it felt that you were its leader, thus making it submissive to you
    my dogs don't do as they are told because they are submissive to me, they do it because they know it is in their best interests. i.e i say sit, the sooner their butt hits the ground the sooner they get a treat.

    i have a Siberian Husky. they are the not the submissive type, the will fob you off more times than even glance your way. but i have worked with mine so she knows im telling her to do something and she will more than likely get something good out of it and she respects that i will follow through with the rewards when she deserves it
    "In order to really enjoy a dog, one doesn't merely try to train him to be semihuman. The point of it is to open oneself to the possibility of becoming partly a dog." - Edward Hoagland

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    Well that makes sense. I am not greatly into the whole "thinking like a dog" thing. I am just saying that i dont see caeser as one who creates fear or force. He is just able to tap into what the dogs mind set is and correct it if need be.

    I personally like to let sasha do what she feels. If she is excited i will allow it as long as she is not hurting anyone or jumping on people, if she is scared i am not going to force her to the situation that is making her feel insecure, if she wants to snap at the cats for going near her food.. so be it its her food and its the only way she places boundaries (of course she is not to do this to the HUMAN family members which she never has)
    I let her be a dog, despite that she is a family member in a human household she is still at the end of the day a dog and has every right to act like one. not a robot.

    Yes does sit when told and goes to bed when told etc. doesnt do her business in the house. These are the main things that i want out of my dog when told. nothing more and nothing less. maybe caeser gets way into turning the dogs into some sort of robot that isnt allowed to have feelings, or explore, or LOOK the wrong way at something but i dont think the dogs fear him...

    anyways i am not going to get to much into something that i dont fully understand, ill leave this to the experts.

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