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    Quote Originally Posted by rascal_dog View Post
    Thanks for the input. It is very timely as the last two nights there have been some quite aggressive altercations between the two of them, beyond what I feel is playful. Last night I removed one puppy to the bathroom where we are sleeping them (heated with nice soft bedding) and the other calmed down immediately. Tonight the same thing happened so I removed the one that was also biting me (Rascal) and again the other (Millie) calmed down immediately. After a bit of play with Millie, I swapped them over and Rascal was calm as anything and curled up at my feet and went to sleep after a few minutes.

    So I am definitely seeing the need to give them solo time with all the family and space from each other. We're seriously looking at the crate option as keeping them in the bathroom is obviously not a long term solution.
    Yes I think dealing with this from the start is a good idea. Escalating aggression between them is potentially a real problem. In some cases it is difficult to resolve, especially if they are evenly matched physically and same sex. A friend had 2 male littermates and there was a major power struggle with stitches required, untill one matured as physically stronger and things resolved once dominance was established.
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    I am lucky that my two littermates did not have these problems. Luck of the draw I guess.

    I also think crating now would be a good idea seeing that they do settle well when alone.

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    Yes I would say there is an element of luck in it. One of my rescues is the other half of a pair of male littermates that went to a family. Apparently there were major problems which is why I picked up my boy at 5 months old. He is a lovely natured dog but bieng in that competitive situation with his brother wasnt working.

    Hopefully the situation with the staffys will be okay as in some situations it works out quite fine. Hang in there and put some work in now! The OP sounds like they want to really make an effort to resolve the situation.

    Of course ethical breeders know the potential for problems and would never sell 2 littermates together but there are plenty of breeders out there that will they just want to be rid of their puppies as quickly as possible. The fact that they got rid of the pups at 6 weeks and had a deaf pup in the litter would suggest they really should not be breeding and hopefully wont again.
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    OT a little.
    I think my "luck" has been because their mother is with them and she did most of the discipline that was needed in that regard.

    Sorry.
    Back to topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Di_dee1 View Post
    OT a little.
    I think my "luck" has been because their mother is with them and she did most of the discipline that was needed in that regard.

    Sorry.
    Back to topic.

    Mother knows best! LOL I think having a strong but fair older dog can help. My older bitch takes all new puppies under her wing and sorts them out for me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalacreek View Post
    Mother knows best! LOL I think having a strong but fair older dog can help. My older bitch takes all new puppies under her wing and sorts them out for me!
    haha mine too, i do sometimes get a giggle when my older 'queen' of the pack has to discipline the younger crazy ones it gets to the point where she gives them that 'look' and they kinda of walk slowly away like "i'm not doing anything" haha
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    We are really seeing this competitive side now. When one comes to us for attention, the other jumps in and is aggressive in chasing it away, when one has a toy, the other often tries to take it away.

    This afternoon we bought a kennel, and one seemed to turf the other out and 'claim' it. So we promptly went back and bought a second kennel.

    However, they are still curled up together in bed, so things aren't all bad. However, we will be monitoring all this, and we'll be doing something about the crate issue sooner rather than later I think.

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    That stuff you are describing is quite normal though IMO.

    My dogs are different breeds, different sizes and different ages (6 and 2) and if Pippi is getting a pat, Barney will come and shove her out the way. Or if Barney is getting a pat, Pippi will attack his back legs so he goes away LOL. Same with toys etc. Particularly Pippi wants everything Barney has.

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    Yes it is normal competitive behaviour, trouble is they are litter mates and same age and have been competing since birth, they are also both pups without much exposure to training and early separation from their mother.

    I have seen some major escalations in these situations which are beyond the normal competitive behaviour that people wish to deal with like you (Lala) describe with your dogs.

    One of my sisters dogs inflicted a severe bites on his brother in their struggle for dominance that need a lot of stitches and the dog I now own had to be separated from his litter brother at 5 months or they would have likely severely harmed each other. It is not something to take lightly.

    There is a very good reason why ethical breeders will not home litter mates together - because there is an above average chance that major problems will arize
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    By way of update, after a lot of reading about 'littermate syndrome' we made the difficult decision to try and re-home one of the pups. Remarkably, the very next morning, a neighbour spotted us walking one of the pups and came out to see her, commenting on how much she missed their 14 year old German Shepherd, which they had to put down in December last year. I mentioned that we were looking to pass one of our pups on and she became very excited. She asked her husband, and he said that they could not have another Shepherd (too big) or a small terrier type (too yappy). In fact, the only dog he would consider was a staffy.

    Long story short - Milly loves her new home, and her new owners, and we see her most days. Rascal became a different dog almost overnight - calm, secure, happy. And now we have her in her crate she's doing really really well.

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