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    Hi everyone Rascal Dog's wife here. Thank you for your replies and advice. Hyacinth, yeah we were fairly disappointed the owners insisted we collect the pups when they were only 6 and a bit weeks old. I tried very hard to push for them to stay with their mum for longer! Also turns out one of the boys from the litter (now living with another friend of mine) is deaf, something I'm sure they would have discovered had the pups been allowed to stay with mum until now.

    Grabbing pup's head when they're growling and nipping has worked a treat. Millie (the more "boisterous" of the two) rarely nips or growls at me at the moment, she generally sits beside or in front of me looking up with an expectant look on her face! I took the "no attention" approach with her, as well as holding her down (something I saw the mother dog do on a few occasions). Hubby's hands are bigger, so he successfully grabbed her on the head, I'm a bit worried about sharp puppy teeth!


    Thanks all for the warning re the oval. Being a nurse, I *know* the risks re partial vaccination and can't imagine why I didn't consider this with the pups!! we'll be holding off on the oval for a little while. Also, hubby had a tense experience the other day - an Alaskan Malamute or Siberian Husky type dog, no leash and no owner in sight, bounded over to the pups, had a sniff around them, Millie got up in it's face nipping etc as she does and this giant of a dog put it's mouth completely over her back and pinned her to the ground. Hubby's heart was in his mouth I can tell you! Interestingly "big dog" didn't break any skin or do any damage (given I'm sure he/she could have eaten her in one gulp!) Maybe he/she understood they were pups and treated Millie accordingly?

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    With regard to crates, (assuming we decide to go that way) our two girls love to cuddle up together at sleep time (see my avatar). Should we start with one crate that they can share, and then separate them when they are older, or go with two from the outset?

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    Mine loved being together so they were. Not in a crate situation but either both inside or both outside in their pen. No one can tell you for sure as only you know the situation. Do what you feel is best and if that doesn't work try something else.

    I am also a great believer in quick fixes that do not hurt either the dogs or us sometimes.
    eg I am not going to spend time training the dogs not to think one of my cats that they hate should not be eaten. The cat is now separated from them at all times, in one of the bedrooms, outside when they are in etc. They like the other cat..go figure.

    If any of them grabbed stuff off kitchen counters then gates would be bought to keep them out.

    Any posts made under the name of Di_dee1 one can be used by anyone as I do not give a rats.

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    I'd be inclined to get two separate crates. That way each dog can have its own space and there will be less of that competition thing - one can only hope.

    If you're confident their fighting is not going to escalate you could just get one crate, but they'd be easier to train now. AWL had the whole litter my dog came from, and they were together until about 8 weeks - when they got desexed, - and then they were separated.

    Susan Garrett has crates - one each for all her dogs. There's no sharing at dinner time or bed time.

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    If it were me I would get separate crates. I would be wanting to start training them to be less dependent on each other and more responsive individually to me. It also gives them their own space and makes it easier if for any reason one has to spend the night away.

    It may not happen in this case but I have seen litter mates that have been very close as puppies become very competitive in a struggle for dominance as they mature with some nasty fights untill they sort the pecking order out.

    But again you need to do what you think is right for your dogs as you are the ones that live with them and know them.

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    Im not a crater, but personally having 2 females, 2 staffies and littermates, I would get 2 crates.

    Also do a bit of a google on littermate syndrome. Is quite interesting.

    A few years ago, I rescued 2 wee staffy x pups at 6 weeks old. Both bitches. I keep them until they were 8 weeks old. They were rehomed together to a friend of mine. Anyway, over the next few months one of the pups started to withdraw and really relied on her sister and wasnt forming much of an attacment with the human members of the famly. This then also affected the other pup. The new owner did some googling and cam eup with this littermate syndrome. Anyway, as a result of that she rehomed one pup to another friend and now both dogs are very human oriented social girls.

    There is no real evidence for littermate syndrome but if it was me, I would definitely ensure each pup gets one on one time for training, walks etc and that they arent always together 24/7. They need to be able to develop individually and I think the idea is being littermates they rely on each other too much and dont. once they have devloped individually then they can be together or whatever.

    Anyway, I am not an expert, just relaying some stuff from sites I have read and from my friends experience. Maybe just look it up so you can start putting measures in place now just in case

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    I was never a crater either and thought the idea as rather bizarre. But since I now do a lot of dog trials and have 6 dogs, I think a crate trained dog is great.

    Crates should never be used in lieu of good training and exercise, but it is rather nice to have a dog that will chill out in their crate at night or at a trial, or at the vets or at times when you just simply need to contain and separate them.

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    I dotn think the idea is bizarre. Its just not something I do.

    However, I do have crates (they are the ones used for import and Pippis one is much too large as it was for a different much bigger dog that we imported lOl). We dont use them much but we have used them a few times. I dont bother with getting the dogs used to em. The odd time we have used them I just expect them to do it....and they do LMAO

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    Thanks for the input. It is very timely as the last two nights there have been some quite aggressive altercations between the two of them, beyond what I feel is playful. Last night I removed one puppy to the bathroom where we are sleeping them (heated with nice soft bedding) and the other calmed down immediately. Tonight the same thing happened so I removed the one that was also biting me (Rascal) and again the other (Millie) calmed down immediately. After a bit of play with Millie, I swapped them over and Rascal was calm as anything and curled up at my feet and went to sleep after a few minutes.

    So I am definitely seeing the need to give them solo time with all the family and space from each other. We're seriously looking at the crate option as keeping them in the bathroom is obviously not a long term solution.

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    No I never got my dogs deliberately used to them either. They are working dogs and just seem to do things without any fuss. I just need to say in your crates and in they all go, I dont even have to shut the doors for a couple of them as that is where they will stay. They are very handy when I travel with all 6 and stay with friends or on a couple of occasions after cruciate surgery.

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