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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    Are there 2 registries with Kelpies? ie Working Breed and ANKC? If so, white may be acceptable on the working registry?

    I really have no knowledge on them but the ANKC standard doesn't mention anything at all about white points, socks or flashes either as being acceptable or being a fault.

    I would assume by that it means that they can not, and do not, ever have white on them. If there were the rare or odd occurrence and it was not permitted, the standard would state this.

    If you are buying a dog without papers, then in my personal view, you are not buying a pedigree. I wouldn't buy one if I was specifically looking to buy a pure bred. Instead, talk to a few breeders and buy a real pure bred Kelpie, not a 'doubtful' pure bred.
    Yes there are 2 registeries. Mine is working bred and has a pedigree stretching back about 5 generations of kelpie council registered dogs and could be traced back further no doubt. The white flash on her chest is not big but is still noticeable. Obviously working bred dogs are bred based on their working ability so a flash of white here and there is not particularly important.

    There are plenty of farmbred kelpies without papers and they are mostly purebred from the look of them, but some will be mixed with Borders and huntaways, Koolies.

    There are also plenty in rescue. My friend gets all her red kelpie pups from rescue and they are fantastic agility dogs. They look as purebred as my red kelpie.

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    Thanks for the response Kalacreek. That explains why some nice looking Kelpie types have white on them.

    It seems the OP wants a purebred pet Kelpie, so we can assume the white is not acceptable.
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    Umm... what the hell are they doing under the house???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    Thanks for the response Kalacreek. That explains why some nice looking Kelpie types have white on them.

    It seems the OP wants a purebred pet Kelpie, so we can assume the white is not acceptable.
    I guess it depends on definition of purebred. Mine is definitely purebred and would also make a nice pet. She is athletic and fast with good working instincts but is not a busy dog which is actually what you look for in a well bred working dog. Energetic but calm if you will, and chills out nicely when there is nothing going on.

    An ANKC registered kelpie may have stricter colour restrictions and working ability is not a requirement but is not more purebred than a working kelpie council kelpie and may or may not make a better pet, depending on the temperament it has been bred for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sutaku View Post
    Umm... what the hell are they doing under the house???
    I assume the 'breeder' didn't have anything set up for her, so mummy dog decided under the house was the best spot.
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    Lots of dogs have pups under the house.

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    I know that the person with the puppies is your friend, but personally, I'd be running as far and as fast as I can. It's a great way to destroy a friendship to start with. Secondly how do you know that the puppies are being correctly cared for, that mum is getting the right nutrition etc?

    Do you want a working dog or a house pet? There are a few breeders on either side that I'd recommend, but it depends on what you want from the dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalacreek View Post
    I guess it depends on definition of purebred. Mine is definitely purebred and would also make a nice pet. She is athletic and fast with good working instincts but is not a busy dog which is actually what you look for in a well bred working dog. Energetic but calm if you will, and chills out nicely when there is nothing going on.

    An ANKC registered kelpie may have stricter colour restrictions and working ability is not a requirement but is not more purebred than a working kelpie council kelpie and may or may not make a better pet, depending on the temperament it has been bred for.
    Sorry, I use the term 'purebred' when referring to ANKC registered dogs. I would add in 'working' when I referred to a pure working breed. I should have made that clearer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    Sorry, I use the term 'purebred' when referring to ANKC registered dogs. I would add in 'working' when I referred to a pure working breed. I should have made that clearer.
    No problems Anne.

    As the owner of several main registered ANKC group 5 dogs and also the owner of purebred working dogs registered on their respective BC and kelpie registers, the BC with lines that goes back 6 generations at least and to some very top welsh and scottish bred supreme international herding champions.

    I just find it ironic that my purebred working dogs are registered on the sporting registers of the ANKC and their breed is not recognised.

    There was a bit of a kerfuffle at last years national agility titles when a group promotional photo was called for, but only "purebred" dogs were allowed. The top dogs are actually working registered Border collies but they were not considered "purebred" so were not allowed in the photo.

    I understand the ANKC desire to promote purebreds - that is thier function. But they consider my australian showbred BC to be a BC but not my true working BC from documentated old scottish and welsh origins of purebred working Border collies. It does make one a tad cynical at times.
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    It does make one wonder where on earth common sense went to, when registries were set up to keep track of pedigrees and to better breeds it all seems not to have worked too well over time.

    All they have really done is ruin most of the breeds as far as their original skills are concerned, it may be that a dumbed down Collie or Kelpie is better for suburban life but that is not what they were meant for to start with so can hardly be an improvement.

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