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    Quote Originally Posted by Jodz View Post
    Hi K9!!

    Im about to adopt a 12 month old german shepherd x kelpie from the pound...

    She's had absolutely no training, infact she was never given a name in the first 12 months of her life... Her history is, that she was bought for a man who worked on the mines and was away every 2nd week for the entire week. HE had a neighbour come over in the time he wasn't there to feed her, but she remained chained up so she couldn't escape... On the weeks she was allowed off the leash she'd remain indoors (no walking etc)...
    K9: Gee tough start for any dog although she will be workable if you can find a good motivator, I was given a GSD female at 14 months old that had the worse start a dog could get, cigar burns all over her, starved almost to death, you name it.

    It took some time but she came good & I was able to rehome her to a great family.

    Eventually this "man" surrendered her to the rescuer as he could no longer "be bothered" with her barking...

    She's a lovely girl who craves attention, is good inside but freaks out and cowers when you raise your voice

    Obviously she's not a newborn pup as such and she's a bit nervous/clingy (we've been told by the career) as I guess some newborns are...

    My question is, due to the lack of interaction she has had where exactly should I be looking at her development wise?? In terms of improvement
    K9: Ok for this one she is a different case as she is not going to run by the normal calendar. The problem is seeing exactly what she has learned & what she has missed & filling in the blanks.

    As my reply has been slow, (sorry about that) you may have had her for some time now, perhaps tell me where she still needs help & I will see what I can suggest, but the TOT will really help.

    We are planning on taking her to dog training where they will assess her for the most part on where she should begin her training (from the start im going to guess), but Im wondering in terms of this outline where you think a dog of this age / background would be at..
    K9: I would guess she would be largely unsocialised which will be a big challenge because the windows of opportunity t teach in the right development period have closed by 12 months, so it may be a slower road than one would like.

    Completely understand if this is way to hard to answer!! Im a bit lost myself!
    K9: No thats fine shoot me an email if you dont get a response in a couple of days to any post here.
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    I totally agree, have done the same. It is on the fridge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernie View Post
    Thankyou K9 for that informative post.
    Thankyou in advance, for availing myself of your kind offer: "I am happy to answer any questions about anything in this post...."
    K9: Thats ok your very welcome, I have not (as mentioned above) been getting notifications that this thread has been added to, so if this happens again to anyone, just send me an email & I will be here fast. dogtrainer@k9force.net


    "I can have most dogs do this in 2 – 4 days."
    ok, there's a gauntlet if ever i saw one.
    K9: Well the most dogs I get may not be the most dogs you get, so there is a way out if you need one lol...

    I have to bring to the challenge. Bernie. A 12 wk old adorable German Shepherd. Keen as mustard to learn!
    A 'not so fit' middle aged female trainer. (i have a cunning plan: training a german shepherd, will by default, train me to get fitter. And a fatasy, that i will once again, take up dog obedience training for fun. Which ive put down for decades.
    K9: Then if you really want to push yourself & the best results out of yourself & your pup, I suggest you look at Training in drive, be all you can be! lol..

    We have a dog, that is going to require a lot of training to be a lovely household pet. And as a hobby, id like to go as far as i can, training him.
    He needs to have impecable manners, there are small children around in our nieces, whilst our youngest is 13. And wants the cuddly bear found in shepherds.
    The others are adult kids, in their 20s and currently back home.
    He has to be able to show those manners, with a friends horses, and dogs. Then it can come bush walking with us. If it gets really well behaved, it can go off lead as its private property.
    This method, looks fantastic. Such sane sense.
    K9: Yes the program can be shaped to create the dog you want to have, its is repetitive to the level that you dont have to be an expert to get great results too.

    I love the simplicity of this methodology. I too am a behaviouralist. Only with people. I dont specialise as you do in dogs. But i know enough, to realise, that this is operant conditioning at its most intense.
    K9: In fact it is a very intensely complicated program in the background, transcribed to read & run simply so anyone can do it.

    It has to work. And it looks like i can follow the excellently laid out description. Im starting tonight.
    I believe ive got all the necessary equipment:
    Hungry Bernie
    Pole in garden to tie him up
    tether
    K9: I am excited to hear how you go. You have driven me lol...
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    I am moulding my 9 week old heeler, one of my own litter so I have had the advantage from birth. Even now she roughouses with hubby and is so gentle with me. I must admit though I chose the most amenable natured one to what I wanted. I am ill so she will be such a treasure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Di_dee1 View Post
    I am moulding my 9 week old heeler, one of my own litter so I have had the advantage from birth. Even now she roughouses with hubby and is so gentle with me. I must admit though I chose the most amenable natured one to what I wanted. I am ill so she will be such a treasure.
    K9: It is awesome to breed & raise your own pet, every day they can remind you of how well you have done from genetic level to training methods!
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    Hi k9 well its been 3 months so i have a bit of information to relay back to you ...

    She's doing pretty well, she's not been taught much from what we can tell in her past which really wasn't surprising at all... and very sad at that!

    She's sitting and laying down, and FINALLY loose lead walking, although i recently did post about her being overly possessive of my 6 yr old when we walk.... Jumping up when we get home hasn't stopped no matter WHAT we do so that's an ongoing battle and to be honest i'm not sure if we will ever get rid of it, because she is just SOO excited when she see's us, i think it sparks memories of when she was left alone for the week so thats what she expects to happen..

    She's not motivated by food at all, maybe for the first 10 mins but thats it! it doesn't matter if we don't feed her in the morning or even the night before, she's just not keen on it.. we're currently trying a toy instead but that's proving to have it's own problems in itself as she WONT LET GO when i give it to her (including fetch) and of course the trainer just tell me to substitute is with food which doesn't work at all grrr...

    Other then that socialisation has been easy, she's really submissive and doesn't bark etc at other dogs.. We've had a run in with a friends staffy x which turned out ok in the end, a toy poodle who wanted to tear shreds of her and she bolted so she couldn't get close, and a fox terrier who had the same idea.. but all other dogs she's more then happy to play and bounce around..

    We have a friend with a lab x kelpie and he's a pup, him and chloe get along like a house on fire so we try and catch up when we can so they can play, she's really good with him and lets him "win" on occasions too as silly as that sounds...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jodz View Post
    Hi k9 well its been 3 months so i have a bit of information to relay back to you ...

    She's doing pretty well, she's not been taught much from what we can tell in her past which really wasn't surprising at all... and very sad at that!

    She's sitting and laying down, and FINALLY loose lead walking, although i recently did post about her being overly possessive of my 6 yr old when we walk....
    K9: Ok can you explain what you mean by possessive?

    Jumping up when we get home hasn't stopped no matter WHAT we do so that's an ongoing battle and to be honest i'm not sure if we will ever get rid of it, because she is just SOO excited when she see's us, i think it sparks memories of when she was left alone for the week so thats what she expects to happen..
    K9: It can be fixed I guarantee it, one thing to be aware of is that you cannot make allowances for bad behaviour based on her past, this will only prevent her from leaving it in the past.

    She's not motivated by food at all, maybe for the first 10 mins but thats it! it doesn't matter if we don't feed her in the morning or even the night before, she's just not keen on it.. we're currently trying a toy instead but that's proving to have it's own problems in itself as she WONT LET GO when i give it to her (including fetch) and of course the trainer just tell me to substitute is with food which doesn't work at all grrr...
    K9: Training in drive is a very specialised training method, exchanging the toy for food is a bad idea during the game.

    Other then that socialisation has been easy, she's really submissive and doesn't bark etc at other dogs.. We've had a run in with a friends staffy x which turned out ok in the end, a toy poodle who wanted to tear shreds of her and she bolted so she couldn't get close, and a fox terrier who had the same idea.. but all other dogs she's more then happy to play and bounce around..
    K9: I wrote a thread on another forum about my view of socialisation, I am not a fan of playing the "see what happens" game at dog parks, the above examples can really have a negative impact on her temerament.

    We have a friend with a lab x kelpie and he's a pup, him and chloe get along like a house on fire so we try and catch up when we can so they can play, she's really good with him and lets him "win" on occasions too as silly as that sounds...
    K9: There are a number of things that can be done to help your problems & also explain better ways to socialise your dog, where are you located perhaps I can recommend someone...
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    Hi Steve

    Maybe you can help me a bit with Sumo...our almost 11 month old Staffordshire Bull Terrier boy.

    A couple of weeks ago...he was diagnosed with OCD by our vet. He can pace and pace after flies and/or imaginary flies and have started chasing his tail. This pacing often happens outside...in the hot weather and it is like he gets into a "zone" where you physically have to snap him out of it. His eyes glaze over...he is panting and frothing...it is not a pretty sight. He has been put on Clomicalm

    I will back track a bit.

    This behaviour started when Sumo had a really bad bout of hives from allergies (at about 6 months). I don't know if the flies made his skin itch more, but something definitely happened mentally to Sumo. He is a lovely boy and doesn't have a vicious bone in his body. He has always been a bit "obsessive". As a little puppy...he would lick my chest as if it was a way to soothe himself...if you get my drift.

    People say if he gets more exercise...he will stop, but it doesn't work with Sumo. We can take him for a walk and immediately after arriving home...he will go to the back door to get out and pace again. It is like it has become a habit

    Do you have any ideas how we might be able to help our darling Sumo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleasanta View Post
    Hi Steve

    Maybe you can help me a bit with Sumo...our almost 11 month old Staffordshire Bull Terrier boy.

    A couple of weeks ago...he was diagnosed with OCD by our vet. He can pace and pace after flies and/or imaginary flies and have started chasing his tail. This pacing often happens outside...in the hot weather and it is like he gets into a "zone" where you physically have to snap him out of it. His eyes glaze over...he is panting and frothing...it is not a pretty sight. He has been put on Clomicalm
    K9: Ok OCD's are very serious often incurable syndromes, but they are often over diagnoses as well & Clomicalm is over prescribed.

    Is the vet a Behaviourist? This may be a crucial step.

    What other actions have bee prescribed? Clomicalm wont fix the problem just mask it.

    I will back track a bit.

    This behaviour started when Sumo had a really bad bout of hives from allergies (at about 6 months). I don't know if the flies made his skin itch more, but something definitely happened mentally to Sumo. He is a lovely boy and doesn't have a vicious bone in his body. He has always been a bit "obsessive". As a little puppy...he would lick my chest as if it was a way to soothe himself...if you get my drift.
    K9: Understand perfectly he could be simply ver driven & under satisfied, this is more common than OCDs in an 11 month old dog.

    People say if he gets more exercise...he will stop, but it doesn't work with Sumo.
    K9: No it wont, physiucal exercise does not always provide enough mental stimlation for dogs.
    We can take him for a walk and immediately after arriving home...he will go to the back door to get out and pace again. It is like it has become a habit
    K9: well yes it has, & OCD's are just very severe habits if you like that have created a neurolical short of you like, but 11 months old is very early to diagnose an OCD that he didnt have 5 months ago...
    Do you have any ideas how we might be able to help our darling Sumo?
    K9: I would have to see him to go much further, but I am working with a lady who has SBT that was on CC for behavioural obsessions, I started be weaning off the drugs & adding a intense program, the case is only about 5 - 6 weeks old but they are going very well.
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    Damn. I got my pup at 13 weeks, and she is a bit fearful. Reading this, I really don't want her to have any frightening experiences. It's just hard, since we got her so late, and I now understand why she is scared around other dogs. We enrolled her into puppy classes, fingers crossed nothing bad will happen

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