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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydog View Post
    But alot of the working bc's & kelpies aren't kennel reg dogs & I can beat no pure.
    I do think the workdogs we need are already here also but some of those where once x breeds.
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    Many working dogs are registered with organisations like the the working kelpie council and many farmers get their pups from breeders whose dogs are registered with these organisations. Some lines and kennels are very well known and are worth a lot of money. A lot of farmers I know get their dogs from well known proven lines.

    Farmers also breed their own dogs and there are plenty of mixes. The good ones get used and the rest get shot or given away or sent to pet shops.

    All I am saying is that there are still plenty of purebred kelpies and BCs out there and there is really no need for mixing them. Just careful breeding and selection which quite a few farmers I know leave to the well know breeders of registered proven lines.

    I already said in an earlier post that most of these were developed from a mix of breeds and then culled and line bred pure to enhance the characteristics that were required.
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    Quote Originally Posted by molly33 View Post
    I guess that's ok as you have homes for them.
    The thing is the shelters are full of working breeds and crosses, I hope others aren't thinking along those lines.How many dogs can one own?
    I don't breed any working dogs x or otherwise.
    As far as how many dogs 1 person can own it depends on land available to use for dogs & their entertainment, money & having plenty of tome & support of a lg family & friend base. I keep a stable pack of 8 here, 4 with my parents at their farm but I take in rescues & rehomes so can have as many as 20 all up.
    I have to say this is my full time job, I have no other taxing respondsabilities & the means to look after everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalacreek View Post
    Many working dogs are registered with organisations like the the working kelpie council and many farmers get their pups from breeders whose dogs are registered with these organisations. Some lines and kennels are very well known and are worth a lot of money. A lot of farmers I know get their dogs from well known proven lines.

    Farmers also breed their own dogs and there are plenty of mixes. The good ones get used and the rest get shot or given away or sent to pet shops.

    All I am saying is that there are still plenty of purebred kelpies and BCs out there and there is really no need for mixing them. Just careful breeding and selection which quite a few farmers I know leave to the well know breeders of registered proven lines.

    I already said in an earlier post that most of these were developed from a mix of breeds and then culled and line bred pure.
    You know those well know Kelpie working dog breeders have you ever gone to their farms?
    I have & out of 3 very well known & respected kennels only 1 was decent as far as dogs living conditions go. Most had dogs tied everwhere with mim shade & dirty water or tiny dirty pens as they had so many.
    I have grown up as a farm girl & still am & travel alot & I can tell you you'd be not happy to see the conditions some of these dogs are in.
    I know there are good pure bc & kelpies but there are good working dogs that are a x of both. Check out any drovers team of dogs & at least 80% are bc/k x's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydog View Post
    You know those well know Kelpie working dog breeders have you ever gone to their farms?
    I have & out of 3 very well known & respected kennels only 1 was decent as far as dogs living conditions go. Most had dogs tied everwhere with mim shade & dirty water or tiny dirty pens as they had so many.
    I have grown up as a farm girl & still am & travel alot & I can tell you you'd be not happy to see the conditions some of these dogs are in.
    I know there are good pure bc & kelpies but there are good working dogs that are a x of both. Check out any drovers team of dogs & at least 80% are bc/k x's.
    Yes I can believe that. Fortunately the ones I know and yes I have been to their farms as most of them are in the working sheep dog club I belong to are pretty good. My kelpie is from one and my BC from another and they take great care of their dogs and their breeding.

    My job is in agriculture and it takes me on to many farms and I see a lot of dogs. The majority here are purebred kelpies. Many farmers dont want BC in the mix because they believe they dont handle the harsh heat as well. There are crosses but most of them I see are not. Could be a state thing.

    Farmers who are not breeders also have their dogs tied up outside and shoot the dogs that fail as sheepdogs. I am considered a bit odd as my working dog are my pets as well and live in my house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydog View Post
    I do understand that if bc & k where breed soley on health & ability to work that the right dogs are already within the breed. I hope to see more breeding decisions being made on working ability within the working dog group.
    Can you send me a pm with book details for me please as it sounds like a good read.
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    Sent it through to you, it is a really good read. The breeding section is pretty intense! had my head in a spin.
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    O.K leaving this topic now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by molly33 View Post
    O.K leaving this topic now.
    Why?
    I hope I have not offended you as that was not my intention.
    I believe everyone is welcome to their own opinions & like to hear others opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalacreek View Post
    Yes I can believe that. Fortunately the ones I know and yes I have been to their farms as most of them are in the working sheep dog club I belong to are pretty good. My kelpie is from one and my BC from another and they take great care of their dogs and their breeding.

    My job is in agriculture and it takes me on to many farms and I see a lot of dogs. The majority here are purebred kelpies. Many farmers dont want BC in the mix because they believe they dont handle the harsh heat as well. There are crosses but most of them I see are not. Could be a state thing.

    Farmers who are not breeders also have their dogs tied up outside and shoot the dogs that fail as sheepdogs. I am considered a bit odd as my working dog are my pets as well and live in my house.
    Glad your dogs come from some of the good guys cause they are out there.
    The farmers that I know of who have bc/k x say it's because our weather can be very diverse & the pure kelpies are not that great on frosty mornings as the bc arn't much good on a 35+ degree days yet their many generational x's do better. No idea if it's true as we always use Smithfields & shortcoated bc's.
    Thanks for book info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydog View Post
    Glad your dogs come from some of the good guys cause they are out there.
    The farmers that I know of who have bc/k x say it's because our weather can be very diverse & the pure kelpies are not that great on frosty mornings as the bc arn't much good on a 35+ degree days yet their many generational x's do better. No idea if it's true as we always use Smithfields & shortcoated bc's.
    Thanks for book info.
    Yes I have to wonder, there are so many opinions out there like kelpies are better yard dogs and BC are better paddock dogs etc. We get very frosty mornings and extreme heat and the kelpies seem to do fine in both as does my BC and Koolie. I have seen both breeds knocked up by heat and some that will go all day. Tullys book really gets down to the basics of breeding a good working dog.
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    OH works in the ag industry too. He see farmers place. Some places the dogs are locked when they aren't being used or they are treated like normal pets like Kala.

    We wouldnt get a BC cos they can't deal with the heat. That's why we have a red kelpie not a black one. Reds don't over heat that quick like black ones.

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