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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    There are already 'Moodles' in shelters wanting a home.

    Ok genuine question here.
    If I got Lady(Kelpie X BC) health and temperament tested and she came back 'perfect' and she was 5 years younger and Roly(JRT X Maltese) if he had perfect health and temp. test results and was 7 years younger, would it be 'ok' for me to breed them?

    ETA; I agree Molly. There are over 155 dog breeds in the world. There has GOT to be a breed that suits your criteria/lifestyle.
    I don't breed Moodles so no deal to me & I do not breed just to sell. I only breed for me really. I take on more pounds dogs than most & have rehomed into the hundreds now over 20 odd years.
    Of course you shouldn't breed your dog unless for your own replacement & already had homes payed deposits for the rest but I doubt they would. Can you also take back all those pups if the home dosn't work. Why would you breed such a x anyways. Oh & all pups have to be desexed or on desex contracts also but I guess if you had health tested, dogs where of a sound temperment, you reilised the pups are yours forever really then if you wanted to then it's up too you.
    But I would not.
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    So why are you allowed to breed and im not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    So why are you allowed to breed and im not?
    But I just said if you followed the guidlines that I do I have no problem with it but I wouldn't do that x myself as I can not see any reason too.
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    Whats your crossbreed of choice, and why?
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    With the current working dogs it is possible to breed top class dogs from the genetics we already have without having to cross. The reason faults and poor working ability surfaces is because of the basic lack of undestanding of how to breed a good working dog.

    A BC or kelpie shouldnt really need to be crossed to anything else. I am currently reading a book on breeding and raising working sheepdogs BCs and kelpies by a master australian stockman and the author gives a comprehensive detailed account of genetics and breeding. It leaves me in on doubt that more crossing is not required, just a better understanding of how to use what is there.

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    Border Collie x Kelpies they are just seem to have the best of both worlds but most I know are not 1 off crosses but work dogs that have been breed back to bc/k x for many generatons & they look like short haired, slightly boof headed, long legged bc's.
    Another great x is the Ban dog. They are great family dogs & family guardains. Love any dog sports.
    Koolies are a x bred & they are some of the best working dogs I have ever seen.

    My own pet pups have a mix of 3 small breeds & then another breed 5yrs in. I like them because they have a wavy coat that is easier care than the 1 off poodle x's you see, they are true family & kids dogs(unlike alot of the toy breeds & their x's) have more bone than poodles or Maltesse but simalar height. But I do not sell them & have never advertised them only my family & a few close friends have them & since I only get 3 to a litter & would only have a litter every 2yrs approx I am not doing anyone any harm & we are all enjoying our little besties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalacreek View Post
    With the current working dogs it is possible to breed top class dogs from the genetics we already have without having to cross. The reason faults and poor working ability surfaces is because of the basic lack of undestanding of how to breed a good working dog.

    A BC or kelpie shouldnt really need to be crossed to anything else. I am currently reading a book on breeding and raising working sheepdogs BCs and kelpies by a master australian stockman and the author gives a comprehensive detailed account of genetics and breeding. It leaves me in on doubt that more crossing is not required, just a better understanding of how to use what is there.
    But alot of the working bc's & kelpies aren't kennel reg dogs & I can beat no pure.
    I do think the workdogs we need are already here also but some of those where once x breeds.
    I am not out to make any new breeds just think poeple need to know not all pur breeds are really pure & if you do breed a x call it what it is.
    Really we don't really need anymore purebreeds for any purposes but everyone has there individual ideas & I'm ok with that.
    If you can look after your pups I am not against anyones breeding programme it's the 1's who sell them & wipe their hands of the pup whether it be pure or x that I have an issue with & bulk breeding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydog View Post
    Border Collie x Kelpies they are just seem to have the best of both worlds but most I know are not 1 off crosses but work dogs that have been breed back to bc/k x for many generatons & they look like short haired, slightly boof headed, long legged bc's.
    Another great x is the Ban dog. They are great family dogs & family guardains. Love any dog sports.
    Koolies are a x bred & they are some of the best working dogs I have ever seen.

    My own pet pups have a mix of 3 small breeds & then another breed 5yrs in. I like them because they have a wavy coat that is easier care than the 1 off poodle x's you see, they are true family & kids dogs(unlike alot of the toy breeds & their x's) have more bone than poodles or Maltesse but simalar height. But I do not sell them & have never advertised them only my family & a few close friends have them & since I only get 3 to a litter & would only have a litter every 2yrs approx I am not doing anyone any harm & we are all enjoying our little besties.
    Most of the working dogs I know are either BCs or kelpies and have been bred true for many generations. Again it comes back to avery carefull selection of characteristics. If you read this book I am reading you would understand what I am trying to say.

    There are kelpie BC crosses out there but they are not essential. A true utility sheepdog can be bred from within its own breed genetics.

    Koolies are the same, there are plenty of crosses out there but I also belong to the working Koolie association and have had long converstions with the president, a man who has been working and breeding koolies for most of his life and he breeds them within their own genetics and believes they should be bred within their own genetics, no need for crosses with kelpies or Bcs or anything else. They are a breed in their own right.

    As to breeding for your own purposes within your own family, I cant really see anything wrong with that, the way you are doing it.

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    I guess that's ok as you have homes for them.
    The thing is the shelters are full of working breeds and crosses, I hope others aren't thinking along those lines.How many dogs can one own?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalacreek View Post
    Most of the working dogs I know are either BCs or kelpies and have been bred true for many generations. Again it comes back to avery carefull selection of characteristics. If you read this book I am reading you would understand what I am trying to say.

    There are kelpie BC crosses out there but they are not essential. A true utility sheepdog can be bred from within its own breed genetics.

    Koolies are the same, there are plenty of crosses out there but I also belong to the working Koolie association and have had long converstions with the president, a man who has been working and breeding koolies for most of his life and he breeds them within their own genetics and believes they should be bred within their own genetics, no need for crosses with kelpies or Bcs or anything else. They are a breed in their own right.

    As to breeding for your own purposes within your own family, I cant really see anything wrong with that, the way you are doing it.
    Koolies are a breed in their own right now but they did bring in kelpie x's etc years ago, didn't they?? I may have it mixed up though?
    I do understand that if bc & k where breed soley on health & ability to work that the right dogs are already within the breed. I hope to see more breeding decisions being made on working ability within the working dog group.
    Can you send me a pm with book details for me please as it sounds like a good read.
    Another x that many say is great is Pry x Anatolian for livestock guardains, have no idea myself as we use 2 different breeds as guardains & that seems to cover all basis well enough. But was thinking maybe this is so you don't need both the farm guardain & livestock guardain & get it all rolled into 1. Probley not a great x in the hands of town folk with little guardain understanding though.
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