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    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    Hi Lala,

    The reason I swap is because that is what my trainer teaches. Basically his theory (sorry if this makes more sense I am sure he explains it much better) that by taking food (or toys etc) from a dog and not giving them anything back exacerbates guarding behavior because they then feel like they need to guard it from you because you may take it away from them, by swapping for a higher value item they do not they need to guard it because they are always getting something better. Basically what Hyacinth said, take something and give them something back for it.

    He also explained it can be dangerous because a dog who guards is likely to swallow an item if it feels like you may take it whether that be food whole or in a case he describe a dog swallowed a kids mitten(glove) whole and he had to reach down the dogs throat to stop it from choking (this was at a play group they run).


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    Thanks crazydog. Trainer advised on hand feeding, freezing food in stock, and putting in kongs or similar toys for feeding that was just in general during class I haven't yet been able to speak to him about her growling at me but we have play group this weekend so I will ask him then. From day dot I have always made Phoenix sit and wait before allowing her to feed (ie: she wont eat until she is given the ok). I don't feed Keira and Phoenix together at this stage as I did try once and Phoenix was jumping in Keira's face and licking her and she ended up getting a nip from Keira, so I feed separately. I will start to do the 40/40//20 thing and see how we go, someone else suggesting feeding in a crate and getting close and dropping food into the bowl as well so will put all this into practice this week and see how we go I general use a very firm "argh" if she does something undesirable and ignoring her isn't appropriate so if she growls at me again I will try that. She always seems to be crouching over her food which to me seems very protective or guarding, don't know how to stop that though.

    On a good note when the cats are being fed she won't go near their bowl until they have walked away from it even if I tell her OK she still won't
    Cool, thanks for answering my question. That's really interesting and can totally understand the theory behind that.

    I am just a big fat meany to my dogs, if I tell them to drop it they don't even hesitate lol. But then in saying that, for dropping it, they usually get a big chirpy "good girl/boy" and a pat and a cuddle so perhaps that is their "better than food" thing.

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    I think given the dogs temperment & wanting to please you the verbal repremand will pull him up especaily if you can start to preemt his growling & stop him at say the crouching stage instead of even getting to the growling stage. I would remove the bowl if you give a verbal repremand to him crouching over the bowl & he dosn't respond. Start process all over again at him sitting & waiting & untill he will eat his dinner without possesively crouching over it or growling(as both are Phoniex gruarding his bowl)at you or anything. He will quickly realize any displays of food possesiviness will lead to his dinner being taken up immedantly. The more you can study his body posture, mannerisms & exspersions when he's about the become possisive & therefore be able to stop it getting to the growling stage the quicker you'll be able to stop the behavour altogether. I swear sometimes my dogs are like don't even think it because she'll know, lol because I have learnt the tiny stubble little hints that let me know what they are about to do. For exsample Pearls about to have a go at the cat say & I can remind her not to & after being onto a certain behavour long enough & consistantly enough that it hasn't esculated to the chase hardly ever & the dog will replace the chasing behavour with the new incouraged behavour ie ignoring the cat.
    Good luck I'm sure Phenoix will turn out fine.

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    Hi KP

    The big bit of bone is now in the sulo bin. Frosty still hasn't figured out how to break into that.

    If she swallows instead of trading - she does not get what I've got to trade as well. Sometimes she even ends up on lead (school kid mess next to my oval is a major hazard).

    Theoretically - hand feeding ie it's my food and I'm just sharing - should stop the resource guarding because it's your food not hers. But it can be a little bit scary.

    Hopefully you will let her know that growling over food is not ok and she will understand.

    If I had two dogs, they would always be fed separately. I have a friend who had two beagles and one of them was losing weight and the other was fat dog, and it wasn't hard to work out why. When my friend went on holidays, me and the pet nanny did a lot to improve that. I actually loaded fat dog's food into treat balls or scattered it over the lawn so she couldn't eat it so fast too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Hi KP

    The big bit of bone is now in the sulo bin. Frosty still hasn't figured out how to break into that.

    If she swallows instead of trading - she does not get what I've got to trade as well. Sometimes she even ends up on lead (school kid mess next to my oval is a major hazard).

    Theoretically - hand feeding ie it's my food and I'm just sharing - should stop the resource guarding because it's your food not hers. But it can be a little bit scary.

    Hopefully you will let her know that growling over food is not ok and she will understand.

    If I had two dogs, they would always be fed separately. I have a friend who had two beagles and one of them was losing weight and the other was fat dog, and it wasn't hard to work out why. When my friend went on holidays, me and the pet nanny did a lot to improve that. I actually loaded fat dog's food into treat balls or scattered it over the lawn so she couldn't eat it so fast too.
    Agree with feeding separately. I feed mine together but in separate bowls and a coule of metres apart and always supervised because th eminute one is finished they want to go for the others bowl.

    Pippi did get in trouble from Barney once (which is not ideal given her much smaller size) but I was there. However, I think since my mums dog has been here the power may have switched slightly as Pippi grabbed some food out of his bowl the other day and he didn't do anything lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Hi KP

    The big bit of bone is now in the sulo bin. Frosty still hasn't figured out how to break into that.

    If she swallows instead of trading - she does not get what I've got to trade as well. Sometimes she even ends up on lead (school kid mess next to my oval is a major hazard).

    Theoretically - hand feeding ie it's my food and I'm just sharing - should stop the resource guarding because it's your food not hers. But it can be a little bit scary.

    Hopefully you will let her know that growling over food is not ok and she will understand.

    If I had two dogs, they would always be fed separately. I have a friend who had two beagles and one of them was losing weight and the other was fat dog, and it wasn't hard to work out why. When my friend went on holidays, me and the pet nanny did a lot to improve that. I actually loaded fat dog's food into treat balls or scattered it over the lawn so she couldn't eat it so fast too.
    Yes if there is weight issues or food aggression I would feed seprataley also but for me I would be trying to move towards feeding together with training.
    Just because I really find group feeding such a great time to address different behavours & do different little training games with them.

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    Thanks guys some really awesome suggestions here . Will put everything into practice as of tonight.

    CD the only reason I don't feed together is because of past incident with Keira and because my trainer recommends not to until the younger is 12 months.

    Hyacinth I dont have any dranas hand feeding her she doesn't carry on she just eats it so i will continue to do that mixing it up with the other suggestions.

    Thanks all!!

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    Oh yes I understand & thats what I am trying to say I understand why it's better for some & safty of you & other pet should always come first, I was just stating why I like to group feed.

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