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    Default Puppy Has Major Dog Issues, HELP with Advice, Please!

    Hey everyone.

    I owned a Kelpie x ACD, she is now 4 months and has some major issues around other dogs and resource guarding me from other dogs and guarding my bag from other dogs. I am working on her with her issues, she's been in puppy pre-school, she is starting Obedience and Tricks next week, also, on the night of Tricks there is a puppy class so I am allowed to socialise Serenity with the puppies at the end if the class. Serenity has attacked a puppy before, a full on attack, it was not play or not a simple thing, she was attacking and she has tried to do this again.

    Please, any advice would be great. I just don't get what her issue is. I know she is resource guarding, that's part of her issues but the other issues, I don't know. So, here's my issues:

    1. She will snarl/try to attack a dog if another dog gets to close to me but only SOMETIMES. She will mainly only do this if she is sitting on me and another dog comes up to me or touches me, wether she is beside me or on my lap. If she is away from me, she doesn't care if dogs are near me.

    2. Serenity will snarl or try to attack a dog if they go near/on my bag if she is near/on it.

    3. If a dog is trying to play with her, she will sometimes snarl/try to attack. Only sometimes though. I do believe she just doesn't like dogs right in her face and this is fine but sometimes a dog has tried to play and hasn't been close to her face and she snaps. Sometimes she has tried going after another dog that hasn't even tried playing with her.

    4. If she is on leash, she will growl/bark nastily at another dog but only sometimes. For example, I was walking her and people were walking there dog. Serenity barked/snarled a lot and it sounded nasty at this dog who just ignored her.

    --- --- --- Below is what I HAVE tried and AM trying!:

    1. I honestly do not know how to handle this situation. If I have enough time to bring a treat out, i can try and distract her and reward her but this is hard sometimes so what is the best way to correct her without using treats?.

    2. Well, I now never leave my bag on the ground if another dog is around but if she did this, I haven't had time to see if a treat will work to distract her but if I don't have time to grab a treat, what can I do to correct this behaviour?.

    3. I give her treats when she behaves around other dogs and I socialise her with peaceful/quite dogs.

    4. I got Serenity to 'Watch me' and I rewarded her and she did great at this. So, I think I'm doing the right thing so far with her regarding this issue.

    Serenity was from a BYB, not a puppy mill though. I wanted to adopt but it was mums choice, not mine. The parents were friendly and great, we thankfully got to meet them and she came home at 8 weeks.

    I just don't get why she has so many issues towards dogs already. She has not had any bad encounters with other dogs. If she does become DA in the future, i have accepted she might, she will be handled properly and we are going to keep her. I have owned a DA dog before. Other then these dog issues, she is perfect in every way and she is keen to learn and is very smart. She has no resource guarding towards me, I am allowed to touch/take anything of hers. I want to add, she DOESN'T ALWAYS do this behaviour!. Most of the time she does but there are times she doesn't. When she is around other puppies, she normally just walks around, sometimes stiffens if a energetic one comes up to her and she'll just stand there. If a peaceful/quite type dog approaches her, she will be relaxed and ignore him/her. I have seen her play with my brothers energetic puppy but not for long and it took 30minutes before she would play with him and she finally got sick of him after 20 minutes and started getting snappy so I separated them. She has played a little bit with a calm bull mastiff puppy before with no issues.

    I don't think this will matter but I currently own a 4 yo Labrador x who she lives with. They get on great, play great but this is the only dog she will play with. I know thats because he is part of her pack. He is great with other dogs. I have never had a puppy who disliked other pups/dogs before so I am so confused!. My old dog that I needed to re-home was the DA one and he didn't start showing issues towards other dogs till he was around 1.

    THANK YOU for any advice. I am heading to bed now but i will read the replys when i am awake.
    Last edited by TahsSunny; 11-11-2010 at 12:58 AM.

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    I would seek the advice from the trainer or find a good behaviorist.

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    The trainer that does the puppy class and that is doing her Obedience class has helped me out quite a bit with teaching me how to handle her but she hasn't yet told me how to handle her if I don't catch her in time and she is already snapping/snarling at another dog. There's only one thing I know how to handle this and I haven't done it because I don't think I should be doing it because I have read so many things against it so I am not doing it but other then that, how do I correct her when she is in the act?.

    Only thing I know would be to to get her laying on the ground 'Alpha roll' I guess or just pulling her away from the dog and saying no. I haven't done the 'alpha roll' thing, just letting every one know.

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    I am no expert but your trainer should be able to help you work on this.
    I would be looking at doing some conditional training.
    What was puppy school like? Was it a calm and controlled environment?
    You need to work out her critical distance-point at which she reacts and watching her body language carefully.
    Must shoot off to work.
    Oh and I also don't agree with the alpha roll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahsSunny View Post
    So, here's my issues:

    1. She will snarl/try to attack a dog if another dog gets to close to me but only SOMETIMES. She will mainly only do this if she is sitting on me and another dog comes up to me or touches me, wether she is beside me or on my lap. If she is away from me, she doesn't care if dogs are near me.

    2. Serenity will snarl or try to attack a dog if they go near/on my bag if she is near/on it.
    It is actually a normal behaviour, although of course undesirable.

    3. If a dog is trying to play with her, she will sometimes snarl/try to attack. Only sometimes though.
    Again, normal behaviour. She is letting another dog know she's not interested in playing. If another dog does not respect her signs, she will attack.

    Sometimes she has tried going after another dog that hasn't even tried playing with her.
    --- --- --- Below is what I HAVE tried and AM trying!:

    1. I honestly do not know how to handle this situation. If I have enough time to bring a treat out, i can try and distract her and reward her but this is hard sometimes so what is the best way to correct her without using treats?.
    When you are in situations where you know there will be other dogs, keep treats in your hand.

    2. Well, I now never leave my bag on the ground if another dog is around but if she did this, I haven't had time to see if a treat will work to distract her but if I don't have time to grab a treat, what can I do to correct this behaviour?.
    Correction may cause even more aggression actually. If you for example yell at her, scuff her or physically restrain her (jerking) she may feel threatened even more. You should condition her behaviour slowly, and with the help of professional.

    here's the example, (just example, do not try this alone without professional assistance!):

    http://drsophiayin.com/videos/Podee%...oOtherDogs.mp4

    3. I give her treats when she behaves around other dogs and I socialise her with peaceful/quite dogs.

    4. I got Serenity to 'Watch me' and I rewarded her and she did great at this. So, I think I'm doing the right thing so far with her regarding this issue.
    good.

    The parents were friendly and great, we thankfully got to meet them and she came home at 8 weeks.
    Frendlyness does not mean they did the right thing about dog (socialisation etc)

    I just don't get why she has so many issues towards dogs already. She has not had any bad encounters with other dogs.
    Fear. Thankfully, she's very young and this issue will not be as hard to treat as it might be if she's few years old.

    If a peaceful/quite type dog approaches her, she will be relaxed and ignore him/her. I have seen her play with my brothers energetic puppy but not for long and it took 30minutes before she would play with him and she finally got sick of him after 20 minutes and started getting snappy so I separated them. She has played a little bit with a calm bull mastiff puppy before with no issues.
    You can't know if she's had any bad encounters or experiences in the litter. As you see, she will tolerate gentle dogs, and when play gets too rough, she will let another dog know. It's part of socialisation and sometimes it's good to leave dogs to sort things out themselves. When you have her in her lap however, and she growls at another dog, let her go immediately and "punish" her by not paying attention to her for such behaviour.
    I don't think this will matter but I currently own a 4 yo Labrador x who she lives with. They get on great, play great but this is the only dog she will play with. I know thats because he is part of her pack.
    Being part of the pack is just one of the reasons. Your lab is older experienced dog with good social skills. Also he is her superior.

    Alpha roll may only increase her aggression. It is stupid way for "educating" dogs.
    Respect and you shall be respected. Animal is always right.

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    I can sympathise as I had a dog that was just like yours. My dogs issue was fear aggression. She was unsure how to handle a strange dog coming into her space so she would lunge and chase the other dog away which worked, so this reinforced this behaviour. Your dog possibly has a different issue with the resource guarding. ACDS and kelpies can both be quite protective and territorial dogs.

    It was very hard work to turn this behaviour around and how you handle it will largely depend on what the problem is. I actually consulted a very good trainer who had a lot of expereince with these issues and she quickly had me on the right track.

    I handled my dogs problem of fear aggression with the use of treats, working at a distance from other dogs and gradually getting closer over time. Getting her to look at the other dog and then looking back to me. I also did a lot of obedience with her so she was very well under control when we were out. I also watched her body language carefully so as not to push her in situations she was uncomfortable in.

    With correction it really does depend on what the problem is. I would never use correction if fear is involved. If there is something else going on like the resource guarding I would definitely consider the use of correction in the form of a sharp aagh with my voice before she has time to react. If she then defers immediately to you and looks at you then I would praise and treat. TIMING is everything, you have to anticipate and react before the dog does, or keep her outside the zone where she reacts. Everytime you allow your dog to react you reinforce and strengthen the neurons in the brain that causes this behaviour to become entrenched, especially if the dog finds it reinforcing.

    Alpha rolls are not really an option and could get yourself bitten.

    Some dogs do not want to play with other dogs but they do need to know how to behave around them.

    You really need to become familiar with her body language and act in accordance. At the moment she is taking matters in to her own hands.

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