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    Quote Originally Posted by Mollinator View Post
    As a vet nurse I would think you'd know that some larger breeds shouldn't be desexed too young for various reasons.

    Then there are those like myself, who can't have their bitch desexed because it's too risky for her to go through the operation when it's not necessary.

    Things in life aren't always black and white. Even if my bitch didn't have SAS, I would still have waiting until after her third heat before desexing.
    Our clinic suggest desexing larger breeds at 10 months.

    The older the dog gets, and with SAS, the MORE risky it gets. Right now you are risking her getting ovary, mammory and uterine cancer, pyometra and pregnancy.
    Yes, there is a risk with desexing her with a heart murmur, but there is a risk with all anaesthetic procedures. If your vet uses the correct anaesthetic and dosage, she should be fine.

    Look, its up to you obviously. You know the dog, you know your vet. But if Molly gets pregnant, im not gonna be happy!
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    Oh and the comment wasn't directly pointed at you
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    Yes there is always a risk of all those things Myf, but early desexing of some breeds increases the risk of some cancers way more than it decreases the risk of others.

    I decided not to desex Molly because of her SAS and the vets agreed with me that it's too risky. In her particular case, she won't live long enough to suffer from any sort of cancer, and if she does, it would be miracle enough that she's still around so I could live with it knowing I at least gave her the best chance.

    Pyometra is the only real risk in her case which I do worry about a lot, just part of having an entire female.

    And don't worry Myf, there's no way she's getting pregnant. But if by some extraordinary chance a male got to her, I'd have her straight down the vet for an abortion. Having puppies is the other huge risk for her.

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    To me the ONLY relevant and logical reason for desexing is to stop overpopulation of unwanted puppies. All the other reasons, may be cancers etc. are a bit of marketing thing to scare people and make them desex their dogs. I think of it this way - let's all of us women chop off our breasts and take out our uteruses and ovaries so we reduce the risk of cancer at some stage in our lives. Before I get torched here - all my pooches are desexed.

    I certainly agree with Molinator on large breeds, and even with some small ones. I know it's risky and I know the shelters have to do it early in order to stop dogs accidentally reproduce, but if I were to buy a dog and have to make my own decision about when to desex it would not be before I can see my dog/bitch are fully developed physically and psychologically unless there is a good reason for doing it earlier (such as testicles that haven't come out for example).
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    Thanks for the update. What a horrible woman to do that to your partner's dog. I also think that it was very stupid of all of them to keep an undesexed male and female dog on the same property and be surprised about puppies. Both dogs, but especially the female should have been locked up while she was on heat. And it is possible to get the pill for a female dog to prevent her going on heat or getting pregnant, but it would have been better if they had desexed her.

    That is the worst of back yard breeders. And your partner contributed by leaving his undesexed dog with such mean and irresponsible people.
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    The reason I asked in the first place is my partner owned a male dog. He did not want to have him desexed as he wanted to breed him later on down the track. His living circumstances changed and as he worked away from home for various periods of time he couldn't keep his dog at his new place so his brother agreed the dog could live with him on his rented property.

    My partner paid for dog food, vaccinations and visited his dog often and took him for walks to the beach, in the bush, etc. In the 2 years that the dog lived with my partners brother, a female dog that also lived on the property continued to fall pregnant, though an actual father was never established. The owners of the bitch, my partner's brother and wife exchanged the pups to a local business in return for dogs food and stated to me that they wanted to continue breeding her (which we thought was a bad idea).

    My partner built a pen on the property for his dog, so as that he couldn't reach the bitch, and when she was on heat, he was tied up inside his pen. When the business refused to take the pups, the responsibility then fell on me and my partner (according to my partner's brother and wife) so I organised for the pups to go to an animal welfare league. Then my's partner's brother told me to send his bitch too.

    I told him that it was his responsibilty and he should call, but I did so anyway and organised for the mother, four young pups and a pup from a previous litter to go. Because the animal welfare league couldn't remove the puppies for several days (due to the distance from their facility) my partner's brother's wife called the animal welfare league herself and threatened them (or so she stated to me) that if they didn't take the pups she was going to the media.

    A ranger arrived that afternoon and she sent the dogs. This included my partner's dog to which he or I had no knowledge of her sending until after he was gone (several hours after he was sent). When I found out what she'd done, I organised another home for the dog and called the pound, received no answer so called the council.

    The council phoned back a short time later telling me they were sorry but the dog was immediately destroyed as the previous owner (my partner's brothers wife) told the ranger he was a dangerous dog. I'm still so angry over it (it's been 3 months to the day since he was put down) as my partner's brother's wife did it out of spite and my partner and I wish to have nothing to do with her again....sorry, I needed to vent.... :'(

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    Dear me what an ordeal.
    The council has no right to put down even a dangerous dog without the owners being at least advised of their intent to destroy the dog this is assuming the dog was registered with your local council of course. They have to give you the right to appeal their decision in a court of law.
    If the dog was not registered & the people said they owned the dog & it should be destroyed they would have to pay a fee & if they siad it was your partners & dangerous but no registered to you they still have to keep the dog for 7 days to give the owner a chance to find the dog & appeal their decession to pts the dog due to temperment.
    You can take civil action against the pound for not checking the details of ownershhip & putting the dog down unduly.
    But I have to say if the dog was not even registered to your partner & he never bothered to desex it & did not even have the dog in his direct care at the time of inpoundment you are going to come across as very very irraspondsable owners. Not the mention allowing it to contribute to an unwanted litter that you would not even bother to take to a vet to get vacc & chipped so you could have homed them. Really they are going to think you have a hide to say anything as really it was you & your partner who allowed this poor dog to be in a sitituation where the pound or rescue where having to come & remove pups. You had to know it was not a good place for him or his pups.
    See if(& it's a big if) anything like this happened to me I would take on the bitch & her pups for the time of pregnancy or as soon as they would allow me too. Even while not in my care I would have been dropping around daily to suppument the bitches diet & then to make sure pups where getting everything they needed like good clean bedding, a healthy well feed content mother thats regularly wormed etc, to be dry & warm & to get enough interaction with people so I knew I could get them homes when the time came.
    Dose not sound like you did any of this to me. Sorry but I have not even read the whole thfread just todays posts so may not have the whole story straight but what I read today made me mad at you & your partner & very very sad for all ther dogs.
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    You have a case with the dog being registered in your partners name well worth taking to the civil courts.
    I'm sorry my veiws may seem harsh & I understand it was your partner not your dog but I am 1 of those people who will take on anyones dogs if they need me, even when I am not sure how I will fit them in or rehome them.
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    Sorry but very much agree with Crazy on this one.

    So,so much heart break and senseless waste of innocent life sorry to say is no-ones fault but you and your partners.
    Had you handles things in a more responsible manner none of this need to come to pass.
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    I am not saying you where legaly respondsable at all & even advised you do have a civil case worth being heard against your local council if the dog was registered to your partner at the time of the dog being pts.
    But moraly I am not so sure & even if your not respondsable either was I for the dogs I take in on a regular basis or the 1's I take to rescues etc but my moral fibire would not allow me to leave the dogs in the situation they where in.
    I also could not sleep beside someone who left a living creature in the conditions your partner did. But thats just me & probley the majority of people saddly would have dealt with it in a simalar way as you have.
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    If I had to re-home my dog, I would make damn sure she was desexed first.
    If I had to move house and couldn't take my dog, it would be desexed and then re-homed.
    I'm not understanding your partners reasoning for not doing that,

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