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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    uuummmm....short answer ?

    Yes.
    That's a very irresponsible attitude you have there. I guess you also feel that it's perfectly acceptable for a person to remove an entire male from their entire female using any means necessary, including seriously injuring said male. If I've done everything possible to protect my entire female, then I will also do anything necessary to protect her from an intruding male.

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    The owner of the bitch is at fault.

    It's common sense not to leave a bitch in season outside unsupervised. Things happen, males break through fences or jump them to get in your yard, if you are going to be silly enough to leave the bitch out there without watching them then it's your fault.

    Of course the owner of the male also doesn't get away without any blame either, they should have their own dog confined to their yard as well, but ultimately a bitch only comes in season once or twice a year, it really shouldn't be that hard to KEEP AN EYE ON THEM for 3 ruddy weeks.

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    If the Dog gets into your house (by breaking open a window or something) while you're out at the shops or something and does the deed well it's not really the Bitch's fault.

    If you could accurately tell who the Dog was in a case like that, I think they should be partly responsible. (I would also ask them to pay for the broken window) :P

    But still, the Bitch is your dog and you have to care for her and the upcoming litter, even if you don't get any help from the other party.

    If however she wasn't kept protected it's not the Dogs fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mollinator View Post
    That's a very irresponsible attitude you have there. I guess you also feel that it's perfectly acceptable for a person to remove an entire male from their entire female using any means necessary, including seriously injuring said male. If I've done everything possible to protect my entire female, then I will also do anything necessary to protect her from an intruding male.
    Excuse me ??

    Thats a whole lot of assumption right there and we all know assumption is a parent to now dont we.

    How exactly is it a very irresponsible attitude I have there ?
    You are almost coming straight out and saying that I actually act apon cruelty myself and thats down right insulting.

    Please,if you can go into each and every unspeyed males yard a fix them then please do so.This of course also goes for the females.But as you cant then every unfixed male will do all they possibly can and then some you thought they couldn't do to get at an unfixed female.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    Excuse me ??

    Thats a whole lot of assumption right there and we all know assumption is a parent to now dont we.

    How exactly is it a very irresponsible attitude I have there ?
    You are almost coming straight out and saying that I actually act apon cruelty myself and thats down right insulting.

    Please,if you can go into each and every unspeyed males yard a fix them then please do so.This of course also goes for the females.But as you cant then every unfixed male will do all they possibly can and then some you thought they couldn't do to get at an unfixed female.
    Choppa you said it's acceptable for dogs to jump into people's yards and mate with their bitches. I'm' sorry but I don't agree with that. What if it attacks a child or another pet while it's in someone's yard trying to get to their bitch? What I was saying, is that you should see it as being acceptable for any action to be taken on the intruding dog. If someone's dog gets into my yard and intends to cause harm, I will kill it if necessary. The owner of the male should have had it desexed or have appropriate fencing to contain it. If I have to spend thousands of dollars to keep my bitch safe, then why shouldn't the dog's owner too?

    My bitch is kept inside the house while on heat and unless a dog is a locksmith, it's not getting to her. But it will still smell her and possibly get into my yard and attack my other dog or any other pets I may have. How is that acceptable?

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    Perhaps we've had a misconstrued use of word/words.

    Yes I accept it because there is nought else I can do. Simple.
    I would certainly not kill a dog for entering my yard ? Actually I cannot even entertain the thought *shudder*

    Until all dogs and bitches are speyed or owned by responsible people then yes,dogs will continue to do whatever they can to gain access to a bitch on heat.As I said,even through a glass window.
    And dogs will travel for k's to find that bitchs scent so seeing its owner is quite a lo9ng shot at best. Then you need to prove that it was their dog etc etc.....yes its upto an entire male owner to keep it contained but I feel its more the bitches responsibility.
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    And this is one reason why our pounds and shelters are full.
    Whoopsy litters.
    Yes family and friends put their hands up to a pup, but in 6-12months they sometimes don't want them.
    If you cannot contain an entire male or bitch and be responsible dog owners then I believe they should be de sexed. Both are responsible.
    I am so over seeing the same breeds and mix breeds in the pounds and shelters and very very rarely are these dogs desexed..

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    I don't understand why you wouldn't just desex your dog if you're not planning on breeding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    I don't understand why you wouldn't just desex your dog if you're not planning on breeding.
    As a vet nurse I would think you'd know that some larger breeds shouldn't be desexed too young for various reasons.

    Then there are those like myself, who can't have their bitch desexed because it's too risky for her to go through the operation when it's not necessary.

    Things in life aren't always black and white. Even if my bitch didn't have SAS, I would still have waiting until after her third heat before desexing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mollinator View Post
    As a vet nurse I would think you'd know that some larger breeds shouldn't be desexed too young for various reasons.

    Then there are those like myself, who can't have their bitch desexed because it's too risky for her to go through the operation when it's not necessary.

    Things in life aren't always black and white. Even if my bitch didn't have SAS, I would still have waiting until after her third heat before desexing.
    Sorry going OT here..... why would you wait until after the 3rd season?

    Back On Topic.... I know the world is not Black n White but I do believe that 90% of it is. I would go as far to say as the vast majority of the 'whoopsie' litters don't belong to people that have 'entire' dogs out of medical choice, that is it is safer to have them entire then have the operation.

    At the end of the day, it takes two to do the deed, so any dog that isn't desexed shouldn't be able to be got at/get out and BOTH dogs/owners are responsible.

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