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Thread: How Long Can You Let a Puppy Bark and Cry For??

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    Default How Long Can You Let a Puppy Bark and Cry For??

    I have 2 4 month old puppies who have been inside dogs due to being behind on their vaccinations. We have a very large pen outside with half a roof, a full wall, running area.......a good pen! and we have this because we are still re-building from black saturday and there are no fences up yet. Im trying to get the puppies used to this pen, at first i would put them out there for 30-40 mins and tryed to slowly increase this as somedays they will be in their for a full day on their own. However......They both sit at the gate and bark and cry non stop, once they went for 3 hours!! if it starts to rain they wont go under the shelter, they continue to sit at the gate barking.
    Ive started feeding them in there and i play with them in there, they have a kennel as well.

    does anyone have any advice for me as i feel so bad when they are crying and im worried that they are going to hurt themselves if they do this for the whole day

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    I would try crate training them.

    Get Susan Garrett's "crate games" and a crate - or use the pen as a crate.

    The initial part involves lots of treats for dogs that voluntarily go in the crate, and then more treats for staying there, and loads of practice of a routine that goes something like dog goes in crate, dog gets treat, shut crate door, dog gets another treat, owner walks around crate, treats again, owner lets dog out crate (on lead), dog voluntarily goes in crate (use treat lure if necessary), dog gets treat, shut door, walk around crate, treat etc and gradually build up the time spent in the crate.

    So I would start with a five to ten minute session of playing (tug) games with the dogs in the pen, always feed them in the pen, and start with no longer than 30 seconds in the pen on their own. You need to make it easy for them to get it right (no barking/howling). So if it gets to that, shorten up the time until you can get back to them before they start.

    But the other thing I do is - not let the dog out or make eye contact or tell it off or give it any attention until it shuts up. Even if it only shuts up for a second. (or long enough to tell it "good dog" and give it a treat. But it's better if you start from short stays. And 15 seconds is a short stay - not 30 minutes. You need to work with the attention span the dogs have now.

    If you have to leave them before you've got them happy in the pens, I'd have them separate crates side by side, covered so they can't see out and under shelter.

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    What Hyac has suggested is great advice.
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    BTW Do we get to see pictures of these gorgeous puppies? Are they what you were looking for or have you found something else you love as much as your old dog?

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    Thanks so much I'll give that a go today!! Makes much more sense I really appreciate it yes I will have to put some pics up! Been a bit slack! They are lab x boarder collies so exactly the same breed as my last dog I couldn't of asked for two better pups! When I saw there was a brother my partner just had to get him as well so two little brothers

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    Congrats on finding your border collie x labs, Spuddy. Looking forward to seeing the pictures and hope they settle in soon.

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    Thank-you i just uploaded a couple of photos of both Otto and Randy

    for anyone who is reading this instead of starting up a new thread thingy i have a few questions, because i think my vet is getting tired of my 1000 questions haha

    is it a problem if one of my pups loves eating grass....... i thought grass made dogs chuck.....but he just sits outside and loves to eat it, he always has to have a piece in his mouth as if its like chewing gum

    i also have another puppy who loves eating other dog poo and there has been times he has thrown up and its pretty much all dog poo!! im guessing he will soon learn??

    thanks everyone

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    Never be afraid to ask too many questions - there is no such thing as too many questions

    The puppy eating poo problem could be a variety of underlying issues ranging from boredom through to not getting enough food. Its called Coprophagia and can be managed.I have a young dog here who did it ( still will if he stresses) as he was deprived of food as a baby and it became somewhat of a survival habit.
    We are just super fussy now about poop patrol

    The eating grass can also have a range of reasons.Some do it for extra fibre ie;cleansing of the gut some again simply because they are kept on yards that have no grass so when given the chance scoff it.I see no harm in the grass eating unless you are noticing excessive vomiting from the pup.

    edit because I forgot to mention how sweet the two bubs are!
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    Spuddy

    They are so cute.

    Dogs eat grass. It's a normal part of their diet. Sometimes they do it when they want to upchuck but sometimes they just eat the grass. If one dog finds a good patch, other dogs will join in. No big deal. Unless they get dags and then they might need some help (will you chew your food properly, you evil hound?).

    Dog poo, less fun, especially if the dog wants to give you a kiss afterwards.

    You must beat them to the cleanup. No leaving turds lying around.

    I also heard (but don't know if it works) that you feed the poo eater - cooked pumpkin, and the poo eatee paw paw or pineapple. Some dry dog food goes through so unchanged that some dogs think dog poo is the same as dog food, so maybe changing what you feed might help. More raw food (mince) and veg like carrots perhaps?

    Some female dogs do it as a kind of proxy mothering. Ie mother dogs eat their puppies' poo so sometimes female dogs do that too. And they don't always grow out of it.

    Another remedy I've read is to put black pepper - lots of it, onto the poo eatee's poo. Kind of takes the fun out of eating it.

    PS thanks for the update, love getting those.

    PPS - try loading dry kibble into squirrell dude or kong to slow the eating down. The slower they eat, the more likely it is to be absorbed and transformed on the way through.

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    Like others have said grass eating is normal behavior, if vomiting regularly, may require a vet visit.

    Coprophagia, again many reasons why dogs do this. Dog poop is made up of bacteria which = High protein, B Vitamins, Enzymes, Probiotics, Minerals and Fibre. So it's not all bad just YUCK.

    (You see this a lot from dogs rescued from puppy farms and that's a harder problem to fix).

    I would just keep the yard clean and don't make a fuss, try the pineapple and make sure they are wormed regularly.

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